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MaDeR
October 19th, 2007, 11:57 AM
I have issue with proof #7:

» PROOF #7

Google can "do no evil" (Omnibenevolent). Part of Google's corporate philosophy is the belief that a company can make money without being evil.

This is lie (as any "corporate philosophy" bullshit) - and Google itself admits it through her own search engine... what a irony.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_Google
http://sethf.com/anticensorware/general/google-censorship.php

...and especially China.

One picture is worth thousand words: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2e/Google-censorship.png

Retrieving more information about it is left as exercise to reader.

Bottom line: censorship is evil. Yes, I know their pitful "rationale" to do this. Any comments?

Vexx
October 19th, 2007, 12:46 PM
yeah....cencorship is evil alright. 9.9 ecpecially since, you know,
This censorship mainly affected White Nationalistic, Nazi, anti-semitic, and radical Islamic websites. Under French and German law, hate speech and Holocaust denial are illegal. Google complies with these laws by not including sites containing such material in its search results.

And you know, in china:
Most Chinese Internet users did not express much concern about Google's choice. Also, Google offers to Chinese Internet users a choice that protects their privacy better than existing search engines available in China, since Google keeps confidential records of its users outside China, unlike domestic search engines that could be compelled by the government to hand over information at any time.

And sure! Why don't we uncencor child pornography, it's for the greater good!
I'm thinking it's not google itself cencoring most of these things themselves but to stick to the laws and to not have issues with the government.
Of course, it's rather early in the morning for me, might be overlooking one or two things. Feel free to use quotes to make it less confusing for moi...

GeoffBoulton
October 19th, 2007, 01:42 PM
The original meaning of the 'can do no evil' proof was actually referring to the fact that the search engine itself, not the company, does not do any evil. It simply returns results.

The content of those results is determined by individuals not the search engine and what you choose to do with those results is your choice not the search engine's.

MaDeR
October 19th, 2007, 02:58 PM
yeah....cencorship is evil alright. 9.9 ecpecially since, you know,
This censorship mainly affected White Nationalistic, Nazi, anti-semitic, and radical Islamic websites. Under French and German law, hate speech and Holocaust denial are illegal. Google complies with these laws by not including sites containing such material in its search results.
Where I endorse hate speech censorship? Anyway, I do not want to discuss what kind of censorship is better than other. Political and ideological censorship is a big no-no in my book.

And sure! Why don't we uncencor child pornography, it's for the greater good!
Nice to know that someone equals child pornography to killings on Tiananmen place.

I'm thinking it's not google itself cencoring most of these things themselves
You're not right. Google is active, not passive. Must be, because China handles their, um... "cultural differences" in way very involving any bussines search engine (and probably other information sources, like tv).

Google will base its censorship decisons on guidance provided by Chinese government officials.

Source: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8FBC4C02&show_article=1


(...)Google launched a censored version of its search engine for the Chinese market in which Google became the censor, not merely the victim of state and ISP censorship.(...) The “block list” was not given to Google by the Chinese government, but rather – as with the other search engines operating in China––was created internally by Google staff based on their own testing of what terms and web addresses were being blocked by Chinese Internet service providers.

Source: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2006/china0806/5.htm

but to stick to the laws and to not have issues with the government.
No one forces Google to enter China. And some laws are just bad and immoral.

The content of those results is determined by individuals not the search engine
But search engine that do censorship can constraint choice as seen by search engine user.

Still under irony of searching in google about google censorship...

MaDeR
October 19th, 2007, 06:17 PM
If Google didn't comply with China's censorship laws Chinese people wouldn't be able to use Google at all.
Another wimpy justification. Before google.cn there was google.com. Yes, was blocked from time to time. Yes, was slow. But it was uncensored. So it is untrue that Google was totally inacessible before creating google.cn.

Evangooglist
October 19th, 2007, 11:00 PM
Google drowned a kitten once.

True Story.

Ion Eyes
October 20th, 2007, 12:27 AM
Where I endorse hate speech censorship? Anyway, I do not want to discuss what kind of censorship is better than other. Political and ideological censorship is a big no-no in my book.

Ah yes, that mythical perfect world where the categorical imperative actually works. Here in the real world, however, we have to decide which of an array of imperfect choices causes the least harm. Are the people of China better off having reliable access to Google search, even bowdlerized, than they are having to proxy out to access an outside DNS? Since the latter effectively renders Google unusable to anyone with average computer skills, it is information disenfranchisement. The people so disenfranchised never had the option of tunneling through the Great Firewall, while those that knew how still know how. This is a net gain.

SAVAGE
October 22nd, 2007, 05:08 AM
Another wimpy justification. Before google.cn there was google.com. Yes, was blocked from time to time. Yes, was slow. But it was uncensored. So it is untrue that Google was totally inacessible before creating google.cn.


Its a parody site....what the fuck do you want?

materie
October 22nd, 2007, 11:25 PM
Mader:
Three qustions you should ask yourself and then compare them for importance before you say anything is evil.
Does it hurt someone?
Does it force something?
Does it stand in the way of progress?
So no google isn't evil.
If Google is god or not i can't tell that i'm not convinced yet.

Booble
October 23rd, 2007, 01:42 PM
http://www.marketingshift.com/uploaded_images/googlevil-706076.jpg

lancemiller777
January 22nd, 2008, 04:02 AM
Hey OP. I take issue with your anti-China bashing.

President Hu is a great man, and leading China and the World in quest for world-interdependent "soft-power". He has recently released a list of moral
do's and don't for as a guide for people.

Google search-->President Hu List of Do's and Don't

off the hook rant follows:

I bet you are an operative from a Taiwanese Microsoft reseller. I've seen legions of your kind lurking in my local stores, restaurants, and town hall meetings spouting your Pro-Steve Ballmer Microsoft thick client propaganda and saying China is so horrible, and Vista is so good. I know plenty of students who think it "cool" to wear their Vista-Taiwan handbands and march through streets blocking the commuter traffic of good Linux and Apple blogspot users.

I'm just so sick of your kind. Go back to your evil Vista selling shop and leave us alone. We are protected by the Google God.

Wallsy
January 22nd, 2008, 06:50 AM
I bet you are an operative from a Taiwanese Microsoft reseller.



What?


Wallsy.

lancemiller777
January 22nd, 2008, 01:08 PM


What?


Wallsy.

Sorry, this was my idea of joking.

Logic-> AntiGoogle = AnythingMicrosoft