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Viruzzz
December 27th, 2007, 01:52 PM
Was linked here. First page i visited was the proofs, and i well, to be honest i don't really think they prove anything.

#1 omniscient
Google knows nearly everything on the internet, yes. But what google knows isn't necessarily true. one website might say 2+2=4 And another will say its 5, google will know both of these answers, but it wont have any sense of truth (ofcourse it will in this case since it's basic math, but in general)
Google knows everything, but it's knowledge is of very low quality since it's a gamble whether or not it's true.

#2 Omnipresent
Google is omnipresent only because of the internet, it's not a feature unique to google. Everything on the internet is technically omnipresent, which means many billions of things are "omnipresent" google isn't any more omnipresent than the other ones.

#3 google answers
Again google doesn't know that the answer is true. It'll just register that it's 'an answer' to that specific question

#4 immortality
everything digital can be immortal, it's not exclusive to google. Besides, when the day comes and google is no longer needed, what will happen to it? There's no guarantee google will always be wanted/needed.
It has the possibility of lasting close to forever, but it is in no way a guarantee.

#5 infinity
Google can not grow to infinity, it has 1 limiting factor. the internet. and the internet will always be bigger or the same size as google, it can not go beyond that.

#6 remembers all.
similarly to #1 memory is useless if it can't distinguish thruth from everything else

#7 "Google can do no evil"
If google can't do Evil then google can't do any good either. what google does good can be used in the same way to do evil.
If someone finds the recipe to make a bomb in order to kill/hurt someone through google's search-engine, has google not done something evil?
It's the same thing as true vs false, google can't distinguish good form evil, it can only register a question and provide an answer.

#8 search popularity
If that makes google a god then what about some of the other words some people search for? i bet a lot of words associated with the porn industry gets typed in that search box quite often

#9 proof of existance
proving that something exists doesn't make it divine.
In every religion there's some sort of story on how the gods created man, in googles case it's the other way around, google was created by man. If you have a creator then will the creator not automatically be 'above' you? you wouldn't exist if not for them, makes you much less immortal.

A few things to add
I found out that i was an atheist very early in my life, I've never truly believed that there was a god. On the same note, I don't mind if other people believe in anything, as long as they themselves do not expect me to believe in the same thing.
I don't have anything against google, or googleism(or whatever you call it) I just dont' agree you can call these 9 things proofs of being a god.

GeoffBoulton
December 27th, 2007, 05:39 PM
Was linked here. First page i visited was the proofs, and i well, to be honest i don't really think they prove anything.

#1 omniscient
Google knows nearly everything on the internet, yes. But what google knows isn't necessarily true. one website might say 2+2=4 And another will say its 5, google will know both of these answers, but it wont have any sense of truth (ofcourse it will in this case since it's basic math, but in general)
Google knows everything, but it's knowledge is of very low quality since it's a gamble whether or not it's true.

Type 2 + 2 into a Google search and see what you get. Before criticising the mathematical capabilities of Google please learn about Google Calculator


#2 Omnipresent
Google is omnipresent only because of the internet, it's not a feature unique to google. Everything on the internet is technically omnipresent, which means many billions of things are "omnipresent" google isn't any more omnipresent than the other ones.

#3 google answers
Again google doesn't know that the answer is true. It'll just register that it's 'an answer' to that specific question

#4 immortality
everything digital can be immortal, it's not exclusive to google. Besides, when the day comes and google is no longer needed, what will happen to it? There's no guarantee google will always be wanted/needed.
It has the possibility of lasting close to forever, but it is in no way a guarantee.

#5 infinity
Google can not grow to infinity, it has 1 limiting factor. the internet. and the internet will always be bigger or the same size as google, it can not go beyond that.

#6 remembers all.
similarly to #1 memory is useless if it can't distinguish thruth from everything else

#7 "Google can do no evil"
If google can't do Evil then google can't do any good either. what google does good can be used in the same way to do evil.
If someone finds the recipe to make a bomb in order to kill/hurt someone through google's search-engine, has google not done something evil?
It's the same thing as true vs false, google can't distinguish good form evil, it can only register a question and provide an answer.

#8 search popularity
If that makes google a god then what about some of the other words some people search for? i bet a lot of words associated with the porn industry gets typed in that search box quite often

#9 proof of existance
proving that something exists doesn't make it divine.
In every religion there's some sort of story on how the gods created man, in googles case it's the other way around, google was created by man. If you have a creator then will the creator not automatically be 'above' you? you wouldn't exist if not for them, makes you much less immortal.

A few things to add
I found out that i was an atheist very early in my life, I've never truly believed that there was a god. On the same note, I don't mind if other people believe in anything, as long as they themselves do not expect me to believe in the same thing.
I don't have anything against google, or googleism(or whatever you call it) I just dont' agree you can call these 9 things proofs of being a god.

In answer to the rest of the criticisms nobody claims 'deity' status for Google only that it is the nearest thing to the normally defined properties of a 'deity' that can be shown to actually exist.

sudikics
December 27th, 2007, 11:18 PM
#1 omniscient
Google knows nearly everything on the internet, yes. But what google knows isn't necessarily true. one website might say 2+2=4 And another will say its 5, google will know both of these answers, but it wont have any sense of truth (ofcourse it will in this case since it's basic math, but in general)
Google knows everything, but it's knowledge is of very low quality since it's a gamble whether or not it's true.


Google provides a medium through which you can learn "all." True, it itself is not aware of the knowledge, yet allowing access is better than nothing at all, which is what you get from other gods.

Our claim is that Google is omniscient. Omniscient means "having total knowledge" (Wiktionary). Knowledge has nothing to do with level of truth.

2+2=5 is still knowledge. It's just not correct.

#2 Omnipresent
Google is omnipresent only because of the internet, it's not a feature unique to google. Everything on the internet is technically omnipresent, which means many billions of things are "omnipresent" google isn't any more omnipresent than the other ones.

We never said omnipresence was exclusive. It's just one feature of Google, and gods. It's a feature of the idea of a god, it's a feature of Google. Firgure it out.

#3 google answers
Again google doesn't know that the answer is true. It'll just register that it's 'an answer' to that specific question

See #1.

#4 immortality
everything digital can be immortal, it's not exclusive to google.

See #2.

Besides, when the day comes and google is no longer needed, what will happen to it? There's no guarantee google will always be wanted/needed.
It has the possibility of lasting close to forever, but it is in no way a guarantee.

Um, Thor, anyone? Really, come on. Who needs Thursday?

#5 infinity
Google can not grow to infinity, it has 1 limiting factor. the internet. and the internet will always be bigger or the same size as google, it can not go beyond that.

By "google," I'm assuming that you mean the physical coding of Google, not the company itself. The algorithims ar ein no way restrained by the internet. Maybe someday farmers will use them to keep track of their cows' family histories and see which genes maximise milk production.

#6 remembers all.
similarly to #1 memory is useless if it can't distinguish thruth from everything else

Once again, see #1.

#7 "Google can do no evil"
If google can't do Evil then google can't do any good either. what google does good can be used in the same way to do evil.

Excuse me, ever visited Google.org (http://google.org/)?

If someone finds the recipe to make a bomb in order to kill/hurt someone through google's search-engine, has google not done something evil?

"Guns don't kill people, people kill people."

And, courtesy of a picture in another thread:

"Pencils don't make spelling mistakes."
"Cars don't make people drive drunk."

It's the same thing as true vs false, google can't distinguish good form evil, it can only register a question and provide an answer.

Just read #1, please.

#8 search popularity
If that makes google a god then what about some of the other words some people search for? i bet a lot of words associated with the porn industry gets typed in that search box quite often

Obviously, people are searching for Google more than for other gods. But about the porn, if you want to start a Church of Porn, go right ahead. I'm sure it would be very popular.

#9 proof of existance
proving that something exists doesn't make it divine.

No, otherwise everything would be divine. We mean to say that it's something people know for a fact is there.

In every religion there's some sort of story on how the gods created man, in googles case it's the other way around, google was created by man.

In every case, it's exactly that: a story. In actuality, somebody came up with that religion/god.

If you have a creator then will the creator not automatically be 'above' you? you wouldn't exist if not for them, makes you much less immortal.

Can we not build robots with greater strength or durability than ourselves? Can we not give birth to children who we in turn will serve?

On the same note, I don't mind if other people believe in anything, as long as they themselves do not expect me to believe in the same thing.

And, where exactly did we do that?

I don't have anything against google, or googleism(or whatever you call it)

It's Googlism, just so you know. No "e."

Renco
December 29th, 2007, 12:52 PM
The thing most people mistake about the 9 proofs (or maybe i'm the mistaken one) is that a single proof doesn't undefiably prove Google is god. A, because that's not what they're there for in the first place, which others have explained countless times, but mainly B, because they each have a quality that make them godly or worthy of worship.

And before someone says something dumb like, how is existence godly or worth worshipping, it's certainly more valid that invisible men in the sky who are either bathed in blinding light or immense darkness (whichever passage you choose to take from the bible.

Other than that, nice rebuttal Scikidus.