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Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 02:47 PM
Got this at work today.

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll212/darukomakaruto/doublefacepalm.gif

From Sunday's Televised 'Meet the Press' Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains National Anthem Stance

Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn' USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn't follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.

The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171... During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, 'Stand and Face It'

Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, 'As I've said about the flag pin, I don't want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said 'There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose. I like the song 'I'd Like To Teach the World To Sing.' If that were our anthem, then I might salute it.'We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It's my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren. If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to end hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together, she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine'. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country's First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
WHAAAAAAAT the ..... !!!

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our next President. I, for one, am speechless.

Dale Lindsborg,

Washington Post

rzm61
October 23rd, 2008, 02:50 PM
......So, when does the bad part come in?

Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 02:55 PM
I just have a hard time believing he actually said any of this. Seems to me it'd be instant political suicide, and he seems a bit brighter than that.

You think he said it? I'm gonna try and validate it, and see what happens.

rzm61
October 23rd, 2008, 02:59 PM
Eh, even if he did say it. I agree with him on this...to an extent.

Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 03:06 PM
Eh, even if he did say it. I agree with him on this...to an extent.

See, I've been getting this Neocon propaganda in my work inbox with increasing frequency over the year. This particular forward was passed to about twenty ppl before me. I think it's fraudulent, and if that's the case, I will definitely reply to all with the debunk info.

I just think it's funnay (regardless of whether I'm wrong on this one) that they're getting more and more desperate, and having to make shit up entirely nao... FAIL

rzm61
October 23rd, 2008, 03:13 PM
I just think it's funnay (regardless of whether I'm wrong on this one) that they're getting more and more desperate, and having to make shit up entirely nao... FAIL

I think it's sad that they try to make good things that make sense, like they are the worst thing ever since....what's something thats really bad? I wanted to say Hitler, however he is a common reference. Especially on the internet and I want to break up the monotony a bit.

Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 03:16 PM
Annnnnd...... here we are. From Snopes:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll212/darukomakaruto/lail.jpg

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 23rd, 2008, 05:17 PM
The Following(also Fabricated)

Ok I am done.

Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 05:37 PM
Before I debunked it, the guy who forwarded it to me claimed he had actually read that quote in Obama's book. After I debunked it, his reaction was thus:


You know what, Bub?? Maybe this is wrong, but I'm just the messenger having fun with it! The fact is Obama is the wrong man for the position...

105 times voting "present" in a two year time span

Voting twice to raise taxes on households making $42,000 gross a year, this hits you!

Campaigning of cutting the military budget by at least $500,000 billion/year
With the Clinton slashes to the military a decade ago, why do you think it's taking so long to finish this mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, Desert Storm was done in like 3 weeks with Reagan and Bush Sr. philosophy on the military

Socialized healthcare, which means you're going to give some "right" that is granted to you today will be gone tomorrow along with higher taxes.

Friends with Bill Ayers, an admitted Domestic Terrorist and wishing he had done more.

Friends with Reverend Wright, who believes that he lives in the US of KKK. Among other smack talking about this country smack talk!
With "Friends" like that, who do you think the previous presidents bring in to fill their cabinet?

Will NOT set preconditions when talking to Iran, but Iran has come out stating that they would set preconditions when talking to the U.S.


He's a Cub fan! A little extra bonus.

For those you conscious during the late 70's, Obama's tax plan is the SAME as Pres. Carter, look what happens when you raise taxes when the economy is slow, 21% interest rates, 15% unemployment rate vs. now with 6% unemployment rate 5% interest rate. Grant you, the best tax plan is one like Huckabee's tax plan where you pay your taxes when you go shopping!

"Change" is an empty promise and a chant, there is no substance there! He has not outlined what he means by this, if "change" is what he's about then why does have a ignorant individual that has been in the Senate for 40 yrs as his running mate? It's an upside down ticket! The Democratic party is playing the RACE card into making feel bad if you vote for somebody other than him, Obama is doing this as well. What makes me hurl is, he's not black nor is he white, he's mixed. "Spread the wealth" he says! Why? It's not hard to set up a business, I did as well as working 40 hrs a week. Now I know why lions eat their young!!!!!


And it was a mass reply! I'm not partipating in some mass email debate with this retard. He's gonna get himself fired. :icon_rolleyes:

rzm61
October 23rd, 2008, 05:40 PM
He's gonna get himself fired. :icon_rolleyes:

So why don't you mess with the tool? See if you can actually get it to happen. Then he will realize that no matter who gets in, we're fucked. I doubt Obama or McSame will even be able to fix anything...Keeping it all the same though, now thats another story.

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 23rd, 2008, 05:45 PM
Wow he is a idiot. The raise will not affct $42k lies! you will get a cut. And that is more times the McCain voting... Oh well do what you have to do.

Tsar Phalanxia
October 23rd, 2008, 07:02 PM
You know what, Bub?? Maybe this is wrong, but I'm just the messenger having fun with it! The fact is Obama is the wrong man for the position...

Yes. He is. But I have a feeling you're not going to mention the Socialist Party of America.


105 times voting "present" in a two year time span
What the hell does that have to with anything? I have no idea whether that's good or bad.


Voting twice to raise taxes on households making $42,000 gross a year, this hits you!

Let's see, what is his tax policy?
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
For a Family with an income of $40000, and one child, you'd save $1000 with Obama and $344 with McCain.
Hmm, feel the pinch.


Campaigning of cutting the military budget by at least $500,000 billion/year
With the Clinton slashes to the military a decade ago, why do you think it's taking so long to finish this mess in Iraq and Afghanistan, Desert Storm was done in like 3 weeks with Reagan and Bush Sr. philosophy on the military

There are so many things wrong with this statement.
1. Desert Storm was a totally, so unbelievably different military campaign to the current wars Iraq and Afghanistan. The last person to conquer Afghanistan was Genghis Khan, and before him Alexander the Muthafuckin' Great, possibly the greatest General who ever lived.
2. During the Clinton years, it didn't look as if you were going to invade two different countries and occupy them with the next five years. Why spend $500,000 billion a year on stuff that wouldn't be needed?
3. HINT: George H.W. Bush and Reagan spent that money because a certain Union of Soviet Socialist Republics still existed at that time.
4.You do realise that Iraq and Afghanistan are two of the main areas of spending and factors for the increase in oil prices, right?



Socialized healthcare, which means you're going to give some "right" that is granted to you today will be gone tomorrow along with higher taxes.
The NHS is sixty years old. It's hardly "gone tomorrow".
And btw, over half of Americans are overweight. Tht's going to hurt a lot of ordinary Americans, and make a lot of Private Hospitals very very very rich. Is that fair? No wait, let me ask something else. Is it Christian?

Friends with Bill Ayers, an admitted Domestic Terrorist and wishing he had done more.

Sarah Palin has more than just a passing friendship with the Alaskan Independence Party.



Friends with Reverend Wright, who believes that he lives in the US of KKK. Among other smack talking about this country smack talk!
With "Friends" like that, who do you think the previous presidents bring in to fill their cabinet?

There are parts of America which are still racist. Is it bad for Reverend Wright to get pissed off about that?



Will NOT set preconditions when talking to Iran, but Iran has come out stating that they would set preconditions when talking to the U.S.

That's because they're shitting their pants because they think that America might Iraqify them. Nuclear Weapons would stop you from doing that. It's a no-brainer. Iran gets nuclear weapons = No American Invasion. If Barack was elected he wouldn't attack Iran, unless they attacked first.



For those you conscious during the late 70's, Obama's tax plan is the SAME as Pres. Carter, look what happens when you raise taxes when the economy is slow, 21% interest rates, 15% unemployment rate vs. now with 6% unemployment rate 5% interest rate. Grant you, the best tax plan is one like Huckabee's tax plan where you pay your taxes when you go shopping!
Fail. Carter's administration failed due to rocketing Oil prices, with no viable alternatives. However, if Obama keeps his promises, high oil prices SHOULD have minimal effects on the US Economy (Except maybe Alaska...heh heh), due to that the US SHOULD have transferred to a renewable based economy.
And btw, the current economical crisis is the fault of the Republican Party, not the Democrats.




"Change" is an empty promise and a chant, there is no substance there! He has not outlined what he means by this, if "change" is what he's about then why does have a ignorant individual that has been in the Senate for 40 yrs as his running mate?
Ignorant? Having 40 years of experience is hardly "ignorance". If anything, that makes his messages stronger, as Biden will know what works, and what doesn't.


The Democratic party is playing the RACE card into making feel bad if you vote for somebody other than him
Bullshit. That's incredibly patronising and jut another indicator America hasn't got over race. If America were racism-free, people wouldn't look at Obama as a black man, but a living embodiment of the American Dream. He struggled from poverty raised by his single Mum, to become the first black presidential Candidate of either main party. McCain, on the other hand, was born into a dynasty of an established, upper class family. That's the Old America, no wait, the Europe that his and Obama's ancestors left behind, were class and status are more important than talent. Europe has got over it. Will America?

Give that to said guy, saying it came from a guy who's studying Politics and Economics at College in the third best college in the country. I'd like to hear how he reacts.

Daruko
October 23rd, 2008, 08:01 PM
Well, bear in mind it is in my best interest not to piss this guy off to loudly, since he's a coworker. So I tread very lightly (which obviously, he sure as hell doesn't do) when debating him.

This was the reply I sent to him this morning (it's not as good as yours):

I’m not gonna mass-transmit a debate man, so I’m just replying to you.

You know what, Bub?? Maybe this is wrong, but I'm just the messenger having fun with it!

That’s cool. But wanting to believe something because it supports your view, is by no means an excuse for not fact checking your sources.

The fact is Obama is the wrong man for the position...

Maybe. But that’s irrevelant. I debunked the fraudulent claim. If it had been legitimate, I wouldn’t have disputed it.

Voting twice to raise taxes on households making $42,000 gross a year, this hits you!

[citation needed]

Campaigning of cutting the military budget by at least $500,000 billion/year

I’m all for that. You’re a military man. Makes sense you’d endorse this. My position is that the 8 fold increase in military spending during this presidential term has been destroying our economy.

why do you think it's taking so long to finish this mess in Iraq and Afghanistan

Well, because “nation building” is a ridiculous notion, from my humble PoV... especially in that region.

Socialized healthcare, which means you're going to give some "right" that is granted to you today will be gone tomorrow along with higher taxes.

I can’t afford healthcare right nao, so what am I in danger of losing exactly?

Friends with Bill Ayers, an admitted Domestic Terrorist and wishing he had done more.
Friends with Reverend Wright, who believes that he lives in the US of KKK.

Controversial, debatable, and coercive. Also, guilt by association isn’t a precise measure of character. Some of my friends are deuschebags too.

Will NOT set preconditions when talking to Iran, but Iran has come out stating that they would set preconditions when talking to the U.S.

And Iran should set the bar for international negotiatory behaviour? I mean, I really don’t care what anyone else thinks. Talking is talking.
Talking itself comes with no guarantees of agreement or compromise. If that makes me look like a democrat, then so be it.

"Change" is an empty promise and a chant, there is no substance there! He has not outlined what he means by this, if "change" is what he's about then why does have a ignorant individual that has been in the Senate for 40 yrs as his running mate? It's an upside down ticket!

This is all very subjective bias, and I also commented in my email to you yesterday about the nature of “buzzwords” like Change. It’s inherent in American Politics in general. Singling out Obama is narrowing your field of view (again imho).

[here's what i said about political buzzwords:
Usually, from the Right the buzzwords look more like “TERRORISM” (desensitizing meme in regards to ambiguity with gov. actions),
“FREEDOM” (desensitizing meme in regards to literal meaning in gov. actions), “PATRIOTISM” (inspiring meme for emotional, rather
than rational ideologies, more nationalistic thinking; i.e., fanatical tribalism), “BIG BROTHER” (which has nothing at all to do with an economically
sized government, but was coined originally in the Orwellian sense to describe a war-like oversized military state.) ]

The Democratic party is playing the RACE card into making feel bad if you vote for somebody other than him, Obama is doing this as well. What makes me hurl is, he's not black nor is he white, he's mixed.

I can’t help but call you out on this. This is a direct current talking point, spread both by Limbaugh and Fox News THIS week. This isn’t your thoughts, it’s someone else’s propaganda.

I have not perceived democratic biased media telling me I am racist if I don’t vote for Obama. I have, however, heard numerous conservatively biased media accusing them of doing such, which is a manipulative tactic in it’s own merit. It's an idea that coerces an individual into feeling manipulated, in an effort to change one’s vote, so as not to be manipulated by the “other side”.
It falls flat for me.

It's not hard to set up a business, I did as well as working 40 hrs a week.

I just recently watched my lifelong older friend run himself into debt so far that he’ll die before he gets out of it, trying to keep his business afloat. I watched it bomb. He never came close to banking 200K/yr. That would have implied he was somewhat successful. You're oversimplifying.

I’ve heard the arguments from the media. If you were pitching Democratic bullhype at me, I’d be rejecting that too.

Consider something for a moment… when was the last time you heard me make an off base accusation at the GOP that was directly being purported by the left wing media?

It doesn’t happen, because when I smell bull from either side of the fence, I analyze it, and then flush it down the toilet where it belongs. They both use disinformation to influence bias. You could count the number of lies on no less than two hands for both candidates in some of the debates.

cockadoodlepoo
October 23rd, 2008, 10:28 PM
As I see it now, there is no way that McCain can pull off a win.

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 23rd, 2008, 10:37 PM
Obama has only a 5.8% nation lead. In flordia and ohio the percent lead is around 2%

sudikics
October 24th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Obama has only a 5.8% nation lead. In flordia and ohio the percent lead is around 2%
Not so.

Princeton Election Consortium (http://election.princeton.edu/) says Obama has a 7.7% lead. PEC uses meta-analysis, which has been shown to be extremely reliable.

FiveThirtyEight (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/) says 6.2%. They too run meta-analysis, but there's speculation as to the accuracy of their numbers, becuase they'v ebeen accused of being biased...for McCain.

Election Projection (http://www.electionprojection.com/president08.shtml) is run by a Republican, and they've set Obama at +7% in the polls.

If you want the hard data, check this out:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SP-mbC-CyxI/AAAAAAAAAZs/6Lkmw0IsHkM/S1600-R/1022_scenario.png

EDIT: Woah, there. Didn't realize that file was so big.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/2965595086_105ffd49fa_o.png

Satisfied?

EDIT2:

This map assumes a +2% poll boost for McCain in every state:
http://election.princeton.edu/map/?rep

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 24th, 2008, 12:55 AM
I was going based off of http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/

National Polls

FOX: Obama +9
Rasmussen: Obama +6
Zogby: Obama +10
Gallup: Obama +5
Hotline: Obama +5
ABC: Obama +11
IBD: Obama +4
AP: Obama +1
Battleground: Obama +2
F&M: Obama +5

Average: Obama +5.8%

sudikics
October 24th, 2008, 02:12 AM
I was going based off of http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/
Obama +5.8%
5.8 is closer to 6, Goofy.

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 24th, 2008, 02:22 AM
Meh I was going off memory and I could not remember the + but 6% is to close at this close of a time.

Dr Goofy Mofo
October 24th, 2008, 04:43 AM
I found a video of the stuff in your mail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AMxW6EvAmQ&feature=related

By the way I am probama

Daruko
October 24th, 2008, 02:12 PM
By the way I am probama

I have yet to meet a Googlist, Discordian, Subgenii, Pastafarian, etc. who has told me they are voting for McCain. Kinda funny, isn't it?

Which reminds me, do we have an official poll going here?

Tsar Phalanxia
October 24th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Likewise, I have yet to meet an American who's voting socialist.

rzm61
October 24th, 2008, 03:43 PM
I have yet to meet a Googlist, Discordian, Subgenii, Pastafarian, etc. who has told me they are voting for McCain. Kinda funny, isn't it?

:icon_lol:
Why because we're not all a bunch of republican dumbasses?

Which reminds me, do we have an official poll going here?

Don't think so. A handful threads though.

cockadoodlepoo
October 24th, 2008, 03:52 PM
:icon_lol:
Why because we're not all a bunch of republican dumbasses?




I'm not voting Republican until my fortified shelter in the mountains has enough ammunition and supplies to last four years. Which gives me a new idea for a thread.

rzm61
October 24th, 2008, 04:07 PM
I'm not voting Republican until my fortified shelter in the mountains has enough ammunition and supplies to last four years. Which gives me a new idea for a thread.

I'm not voting their nominee for the republican party. At least not until they go back to the old republican beliefs, and STICK WITH THEM!

Daruko
October 24th, 2008, 04:15 PM
Likewise, I have yet to meet an American who's voting socialist.

voting socialist?

rzm61
October 24th, 2008, 04:18 PM
voting socialist?

He's from across the pond. Just ignore him when he talks about about socialism.

Tsar Phalanxia
October 24th, 2008, 05:20 PM
When I say the word "Socialism", it's the real deal, not namby-pamby Republican "Obama" socialism.

rmw
October 25th, 2008, 01:15 AM
When I say the word "Socialism", it's the real deal, not namby-pamby Republican "Obama" socialism.

Tsar, when you say "socialism" Americans freak out that OMG! The communists are taking over. We're still not far enough removed from the Cold War to have that kind of knee jerk reaction.