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sudikics
December 5th, 2008, 03:13 PM
It's incredible. Your prime minister has actually just usurped your government. Congrats. Stephen Harper has just shut down the Parliament in Canadia until January 26. I reckon that this is the first time an executive branch has shut down a legislative branch since King Louis XIV in France closed down the Estates-General in 1618. The Estates-General remained closed until 1789.

See you in 2179, Canadian Parliament.

bouchie
December 5th, 2008, 03:22 PM
Well, this is good and bad.

Bad because we have no government.

Good because the coalition that had formed was, essentially, trying to get Stephen Harper out of the Prime Minister's office without an election, led by a guy who is supposed to step down as leader of the Liberal party in May.

Basically, we had no government before this happened. To prorogue Parliament just makes that observation explicit.
...
I wish Trudeau wasn't dead.

Edit: Sorry - technically, we still have a government, just no Parliament. The governor general had two choices - either do what she did, or order another election. If she had done the latter, the Liberal Party of Canada would not have any representatives in Parliament.

If you want to know what political suicide is...

Tsar Phalanxia
December 5th, 2008, 03:41 PM
I reckon that this is the first time an executive branch has shut down a legislative branch since King Louis XIV in France closed down the Estates-General in 1618. The Estates-General remained closed until 1789.

The earliest one that comes to mind is , er, Tsar Nicholas the Second's shutting down of the Russian Duma. :icon_rolleyes:

And look how that turned out.

sudikics
December 5th, 2008, 08:30 PM
Wasn't that after King Charles I of England sent off Parliament for 100 years?

Tsar Phalanxia
December 5th, 2008, 09:49 PM
That was the 1600's, and resulted in the English Civil War, which resulted in "The English Protectorate", a de facto dictatorship lead by Oliver Cromwell.

Nicholas the II dissolved the Duma multiple times, and that lead to the February Revolution, which in tuen led to the October Revolution, which led to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the world's first Communist state.

bouchie
December 9th, 2008, 03:35 PM
Update: Stephane Dion, leader of the Liberal Party and would-be Prime Minister if the coalition actually went through with their plan, resigned yesterday.

Our politics just sank in an ice-fishing hole.

Tsar Phalanxia
December 9th, 2008, 03:39 PM
What does that mean for Canada, and the left in general? Also, what's the origins of the conflict?

bouchie
December 9th, 2008, 04:34 PM
What does that mean for Canada, and the left in general? Also, what's the origins of the conflict? Well, the Liberals are actually right-centrists. Their just left of the Conservatives, the guys in power.

I don't know what it means for Canada. It can't be good, however, seeing as they have announced that we are officially in a recession and just the key bank rate by 50 basis points. So, the recession is here and we have no Parliament. The PM can't do much without Parliament 'cause we're a Parliamentary system, like you in the U.K.

Before the most recent election, not many people in government liked Harper - and he was giving them plenty of reasons not to like them, from destroying tax credits for artists (and possible censorship of movies) to managing the economic crisis badly. True, they had a fiscal surplus, but no one dared to mention that it was because of the high price of oil, which we sell, mostly, to the U.S. Now oil is back down to around US$50 a barrel and we're in a recession. Hmm...

So, nobody is giving Harper an inch. This forces him to call an election, breaking his own rule of set election dates. The next election was supposed to happen in 2011, I believe. Instead, we had it in October. He was hoping to get a majority in Parliament, making it easier for him to pass the Conservative bills. Though he gained some seats, he didn't get a majority.

Now, Stephane Dion's job, as leader of the opposition, tried to get the PMs job. He failed. Seeing as he was doing a bad job as leader of the opposition, he was going to step down.

Then our finance midget, Flatherty, tells us what the budget and the economic plan for the conservatives - and there's no economic stimulus plan. Problem? Yes. What do the other guys do? Instead of going through the usual Parliamentary system, the Liberals, New Democratic Party and the Bloc-Quebecois (the Separation of Canada Party) form a coalition to try and usurp Harper. This is a Canadian coup, btw.

What does Harper do? He goes to the governor-general. She has two choices, really - either call another election (because no one voted for a coalition) or kick Parliament out. For the Liberals, the latter choice was the best choice - they won't get a vote west of Ontario for at least a generation.

So, no Parliament, the Liberals have no leader and we're in a recession. Fun!

Al Farabi
December 9th, 2008, 06:10 PM
:icon_eek:
Wow.

bouchie
December 9th, 2008, 09:17 PM
:icon_eek:
Wow.
I know. Makes you love our country more don't it?

You think the Liberals will get any votes in Nova Scotia?

tagnostic
December 9th, 2008, 09:27 PM
we'll trade you
hillary for harper

bouchie
December 9th, 2008, 09:29 PM
we'll trade you
hillary for harper You're swapping one android for another. I don't see any value in this trade.

tagnostic
December 9th, 2008, 09:30 PM
You're swapping one android for another. I don't see any value in this trade.

we'll throw in bill
2 for 1

bouchie
December 9th, 2008, 09:31 PM
we'll throw in bill
2 for 1 Why do you want the Canadian version of George W?

Loki
December 9th, 2008, 09:43 PM
They have the death penalty in the US :D

Tsar Phalanxia
December 9th, 2008, 09:53 PM
we'll throw in bill
2 for 1

SOCKS IS BACK MOTHERFUCKER

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/11/10/SteveBell11112008FULL.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/11/11/11112008SteveBellFULL.jpg

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/11/12/SteveBell12112008FULL.jpg

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ryooshi
January 26th, 2009, 05:42 PM
Please learn how to spell Canada :D

Dementis
January 26th, 2009, 05:46 PM
Please learn to not double post. Also, I believe they spelled it 'Canadia' on purpose.

ryooshi
January 26th, 2009, 05:47 PM
Please learn to not double post. Also, I believe they spelled it 'Canadia' on purpose.


You know what? I'm well aware of that, and it's not my fault I double-posted. i blame the computer

tagnostic
January 26th, 2009, 06:22 PM
You know what? I'm well aware of that, and it's not my fault I double-posted. i blame the computer

your computer
is a stutterer?

Dementis
January 28th, 2009, 02:25 AM
It was at school... the network had a mini-burp of sorts and he got a net error posting and posted again. Little did he know he was committing that tragic sin..

tagnostic
January 28th, 2009, 01:45 PM
rofl
the correct response
would have been to
confess your sins
by deleting the
extra post
:icon_razz:

Dementis
January 28th, 2009, 02:55 PM
I can't delete posts..... yet. lol. I'm sure I'll get up there in time. ryooshi isn't on too much either.

rzm61
January 28th, 2009, 03:33 PM
Really?

There is no 'Delete' option when you click 'Edit' on one of your posts?

sudikics
January 29th, 2009, 09:28 PM
I know perfectly well how to spell Canadia.

Sister Faith
January 30th, 2009, 04:47 AM
:icon_evil: New Brunswick school silences O Canada. (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/090128/canada/canada_newbrunswick_nb_o_canada_1)

Wtf?! Who could possibly have a problem with kids singing our national anthem in school? How could pride-of-country be un-pc? :icon_confused:

Tsar Phalanxia
January 30th, 2009, 10:54 AM
In the UK, if kids were made to sing the national anthem every day, then there would be riots in the street. Our brand os patriotism is very weird, in that the most British thing to do is to not like your country.
(Btw, I disagree with daily anthems like that, because it has a tendency to create nationalism)

tagnostic
January 30th, 2009, 11:01 AM
just a thought
but, while you
disapprove of
"nationalism"
you were a bit
put off by going
to a college a
car drive away
from where you
live
"county-ism"?

ps G'mornin Tsar
i'm up to.


ramen or varelse?

Tsar Phalanxia
January 30th, 2009, 03:54 PM
just a thought
but, while you
disapprove of
"nationalism"
you were a bit
put off by going
to a college a
car drive away
from where you
live
"county-ism"?

Hehehehe
There's no real bad blood between Lancashire and Yorkshire. It's more of a town rivalry thing, except with counties. Besides, we always join forces, when the posh southerners try to have their way :D
And like, I said, because your idea of patriotism is different from mine, we're never going to see eye to eye on this issue. The British are very careful of not acting like Americans when it comes to patriotism, for better or worse.

tagnostic
January 30th, 2009, 03:59 PM
hehehe
probably its cultural
yall had to fight a
bunch of different
cultures and evolve
into a country
where as our cultural
identity evolved from
one fight (with England)
we gloss over the spanish/american war
we do the same with the french canadian war
all we get over and over is we won our indepencance
and that makes us very nationalistic

Fallen Hero
January 30th, 2009, 06:14 PM
:icon_evil: New Brunswick school silences O Canada. (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/cbc/090128/canada/canada_newbrunswick_nb_o_canada_1)

Wtf?! Who could possibly have a problem with kids singing our national anthem in school? How could pride-of-country be un-pc? :icon_confused:

Keeps making reference to the catholic god?

I'd be game for never hearing it again, why because I prefer the europeab style of doing things.

Sister Faith
January 31st, 2009, 05:38 AM
Keeps making reference to the catholic god?

I'd be game for never hearing it again, why because I prefer the europeab style of doing things.

It's possible that this is the reason for some parents (only 2 btw) not wanting their kids to sing the anthem in school but there is only one piddly little reference to God in our anthem.

O Canada! our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide, O Canada,
We stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

And, if I'm not mistaken, there is a petition to change that and the "in all our sons" line to more PC terms.

So, these 2 familys are making a mountain out of a mole hill and they get to force a whole school to kow tow over their petty complaint? This is taking PCness to ludicrous (and dangerous) levels.

Canada already suffers from a major inferiority complex, a serious lack of self esteem that is unwarranted (Avro Arrow, Canadarm, just to name 2 of the many accomplishments we should be proud of). As a nation, we are loathe to toot our own horn for some reason.

What happens when we throw out pride in our own country in the interest of PCness, inclusiveness or tolerance? The result is a Canadian Prime Minister who doesn't have enough pride-of-country to 'lead' without mirroring the USA in everything from foreign/ government policy to the legal system. Canada deserves better than that.

I use to think the US brand of patriotism (wrapping themselves in the Stars & Stripes at any opportunity) was kind of tacky. But it's the glue that holds their nation together and I think it's time we Canadians took a page from their book. They don't have (at least I don't think they do) states threatening to separate like the provinces of Quebec and Alberta.

@ Tsar (sorry, I should have multi-quoted)
The Canadian brand of patriotism is similar to the UK, except we don't hate our country, we just hate & unmercifully ridicule (http://www.rickmercer.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=main.gallery&challengeId=97&seasonId=4&358) our politicians.:icon_twisted:

rmw
January 31st, 2009, 03:11 PM
I use to think the US brand of patriotism (wrapping themselves in the Stars & Stripes at any opportunity) was kind of tacky. But it's the glue that holds their nation together and I think it's time we Canadians took a page from their book. They don't have (at least I don't think they do) states threatening to separate like the provinces of Quebec and Alberta.


Patriotism can be double-edged sword. Yes, it does give us some sort of common cause, but it can also go over the precipice and turn into exclusionary nationalism (which is why immigration--both legal and illegal--is such a big issue here*).

As for separatist movements, we do have them. However, these movements have so far stayed within smaller groups, and have not reached the state level of government. Also, I was aware of Quebec's separatist movement, but not of Alberta's. What's going on there?

*Which is ironic, when you consider the US is what it is today because of immigrants.

Fallen Hero
January 31st, 2009, 03:46 PM
Part of the reason why Quebec cannot leave Canada, is that it would essentially dissolve the nation; it'd be a really bad thing.

Fucking Harper.

There is an easy way to solve this problem: NEVER, EVER vote Conservative.

Sister Faith
January 31st, 2009, 11:24 PM
Patriotism can be double-edged sword. Yes, it does give us some sort of common cause, but it can also go over the precipice and turn into exclusionary nationalism (which is why immigration--both legal and illegal--is such a big issue here*).

Yes, this would be the other end of the spectrum. How is it that we humans don't understand the concept of balance? We haven't learned the 'too much of a good thing' lesson yet. :icon_evil:

As for separatist movements, we do have them. However, these movements have so far stayed within smaller groups, and have not reached the state level of government. Also, I was aware of Quebec's separatist movement, but not of Alberta's. What's going on there?

*Which is ironic, when you consider the US is what it is today because of immigrants.Alberta's beef (pardon the pun! :icon_lol:) is that they are one of the richest provinces (they have oil and beef and lots of it) and don't want to share with the have-not provinces or Quebec and are threatening to separate if they are forced to do so.

Part of the reason why Quebec cannot leave Canada, is that it would essentially dissolve the nation; it'd be a really bad thing.

I no longer believe that Quebec's separation would be the end of Canada. We'll survive, just with one province (& major drain on federal finances) less.

Quebec now knows that they couldn't afford to be a nation in their own right after separation. They aren't big enough in terms of land or taxable population to sustain them as a nation. 2/3rds of the province is Cree land, who have told the Quebec Gov't that they cannot take with them if they separate.

That's when the separatists rolled out their "Sovereignty Association" plan which basically get's the Federal Government to continue giving them money as if they were still a province while they are actually a separate nation! That's like your child running away from home but expecting you to still pay for their upkeep.

We pretty much put paid to that in one of the last referendums. It wouldn't have mattered if the Yes side won by majority, the Fed. Gov't wasn't about to bow to extortion. However, Quebec has discovered that they don't have to actually separate to extort money from the Fed. Gov't. They just have to threaten to separate if they aren't given more than their fair share.

*sigh* It's a complex issue which I could go on and on about, but what it really boils down to is money, both in Alberta's & Quebec's arguments for separation.

Fucking Harper. :icon_twisted:

There is an easy way to solve this problem: NEVER, EVER vote Conservative.Fix'd :icon_cool:

Sister Faith
February 8th, 2009, 07:31 AM
New Brunswick parents force school to reinstate O Canada. :icon_cool:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/090202/national/no_o_canada

The issue made it to the House of Commons last week when Conservative MP Mike Allen, who represents the New Brunswick riding of Tobique-Mactaquac, said dropping the anthem at the start of the school day amounted to "political correctness run wild.":icon_lol:

Due to the climate of political correctness now pervading Canada, Albertans
will no longer be referred to as ‘Rednecks’.
You must now refer to them as Rocky Mountain/Prairie Canadians.

And furthermore

HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT WOMEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:

1. She is not a ‘BABE’ or a ‘CHICK’ - She is a ‘BREASTED Canadian’.
2. She is not ‘EASY’ - She is ‘HORIZONTALLY ACCESSIBLE’
3. She is not a ‘DUMB BLONDE’ - She is a ‘LIGHT-HAIRED DETOUR
OFF THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAY’.
4. She has not ‘BEEN AROUND’ - She is a ‘PREVIOUSLY-ENJOYED
COMPANION’.
5. She does not ‘NAG’ you - She becomes ‘VERBALLY REPETITIVE’.
6. She is not a ‘TWO-BIT HOOKER’ - She is a ‘LOW COST PROVIDER’.

HOW TO SPEAK ABOUT MEN AND BE POLITICALLY CORRECT:

1. He does not have a ‘BEER GUT’ - He has developed a ‘LIQUID
GRAIN STORAGE FACILITY’.
2. He is not a ‘BAD DANCER’ - He is ‘OVERLY CAUCASIAN’.
3. He does not ‘GET LOST ALL THE TIME’ – He ‘INVESTIGATES
ALTERNATIVE DESTINATIONS’.
4. He is not ‘BALDING’ - He is in ‘FOLLICLE REGRESSION’.
5. He does not act like a ‘TOTAL ASS’ - He develops a case of
‘RECTAL-CRANIAL INVERSION’.
6. It's not his ‘CRACK’ you see hanging out of his pants - It's
‘REAR CLEAVAGE’.

tagnostic
February 8th, 2009, 11:58 AM
+rep
good one Sis,

Your not in Canada,
your climatalogically challenged.
(it was down in the low 70's today, getting down to 50 right now at 5am, cold sux)

rmw
February 8th, 2009, 03:49 PM
(it was down in the low 70's today, getting down to 50 right now at 5am, cold sux)

Hell, it was in the 50s here yesterday and people were walking around in shorts.

tagnostic
February 8th, 2009, 05:23 PM
down here
50's are what
Canadiens spend
in the winter

rmw
February 9th, 2009, 02:01 AM
down here
50's are what
Canadiens spend
in the winter

With which you can use to buy 40s.

tagnostic
February 9th, 2009, 02:14 AM
rofl
from kids in their 20's

Sister Faith
February 9th, 2009, 09:06 PM
Your not in Canada, your climatalogically challenged.

Oh, Google help me! Not only am I a Light-Haired Detour Off the Information Superroadwaythingy, I'm also climatically disfunctional. :icon_eek:

(it was down in the low 70's today, getting down to 50 right now at 5am, cold sux)Bwahahaha! You think 50 is cold!?!?! Try -30 Celsius (that's about -20 Fahrenheit), -40 C to -50 C with the wind chill factor.
*That F***g wind! Where is it in the summer when it's +30?*:icon_evil:

down here
50's are what
Canadiens spend
in the winter

That is correct. We spend them on heating when we'd rather be spending them on the Cdn version of 40's...24's :icon_lol:

tagnostic
February 10th, 2009, 01:44 PM
Rofl,
it was choopy all day
windy rainy, in the 50's
(thank Google for my nice warm kitchen & radiator fluid{gin})
Fingus was Pissed
5am she woke me up
(the head butt routine, followed by "as long as your up")
rain stopped, she wants the window open
she doesn't want out, yet,
she's waiting for the birds
(the early bird gets the worm, but Fingus gets the early birds)
i keep telling her its cold out
and the birds won't be out til daylight
nope, window's gotta be open
and after 24 hrs indoors,
Magic better Hide

Sister Faith
February 10th, 2009, 06:25 PM
Rofl,
it was choopy all day
windy rainy, in the 50's
(thank Google for my nice warm kitchen & radiator fluid{gin})
Fingus was Pissed
5am she woke me up
(the head butt routine, followed by "as long as your up")
rain stopped, she wants the window open
she doesn't want out, yet,
she's waiting for the birds
(the early bird gets the worm, but Fingus gets the early birds)
i keep telling her its cold out
and the birds won't be out til daylight
nope, window's gotta be open
and after 24 hrs indoors,
Magic better Hide

Poor Fingus. Ziggy can relate, as you know.

Well, she should thank her lucky stars that it's not freezing rain like we're getting today. In Canada, if we don't like the weather, we just have to wait a second for it to change to another extreme. :icon_evil:

Btw, how did Magic get his name?

tagnostic
February 10th, 2009, 06:33 PM
magic came as a set
he has a brother Malo
who lives with my favorite maniac
and good friend blake
when they were puppies they got into a tussel
and being bulldogs it got out of control,
Malo got a piece of magics throat and ripped out his thyroid
we got him to the vet in time, and the vet said he would live, but it was Magic & Luck,
that is his full name, he takes thyroid pills and Malo stays with Blake.

Sister Faith
February 10th, 2009, 06:40 PM
magic came as a set
he has a brother Malo
who lives with my favorite maniac
and good friend blake
when they were puppies they got into a tussel
and being bulldogs it got out of control,
Malo got a piece of magics throat and ripped out his thyroid
we got him to the vet in time, and the vet said he would live, but it was Magic & Luck,
that is his full name, he takes thyroid pills and Malo stays with Blake.


Poor Magic! He is indeed lucky.
Sibling rivalry, eh? Tsk. Tsk. They acted more like humans than dogs!

tagnostic
February 10th, 2009, 06:48 PM
yeah, he'll bark at neighbor dogs, but his hearts not in it,
Malo is pretty much in solitary when it comes to other pets.
Anybody that can/will go to Blake's can handle Malo so he gets
alot of human attention, just not dogs or cats.
Magic sleeps alot, actually 90% of the time, he pretty much just gets up
to eat and find a new spot (as close to the maximum # of people as possible) to sleep in.

Sister Faith
February 10th, 2009, 07:01 PM
yeah, he'll bark at neighbor dogs, but his hearts not in it,
Malo is pretty much in solitary when it comes to other pets.
Anybody that can/will go to Blake's can handle Malo so he gets
alot of human attention, just not dogs or cats.
Magic sleeps alot, actually 90% of the time, he pretty much just gets up
to eat and find a new spot (as close to the maximum # of people as possible) to sleep in.

He sounds like an adorably dumb doofus. Fingus is diddling herself out of a potentially beautiful friendship. :)

tagnostic
February 10th, 2009, 07:30 PM
Fingus enjoys her human staff
she feels no need for either the
canine or feline variety
(if it can't open a can of food, what good is it?)

Sister Faith
February 10th, 2009, 07:47 PM
enjoys her human staff (if it can't open a can of food, what good is it?)

:icon_lol: Doesn't that say it all about cats! We're all pussy-whipped. :icon_eek:

tagnostic
February 10th, 2009, 07:49 PM
yep,
just filled her dry bowl
filled the water bowl with fresh
tablespoon of canned
time for work


she's asleep in the drawer
magic's on the floor
i'm out the door

Sister Faith
February 10th, 2009, 08:01 PM
Don't work too hard. :icon_evil:
Talk @ ya later.:icon_cool:

Sister Faith
February 18th, 2009, 11:06 PM
Cullen demands review of atheist ad
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Life/Cullen+demands+review+atheist/1295922/story.html

The chairman of Ottawa’s transit committee will demand that city staff explain why they refused to allow atheism ads on city buses, even though ads quoting the Bible have been approved by the city and could appear on buses at any time. :icon_evil:

I don’t follow the logic,” said Bus Stop Bible Studies founder David Harrison. “Why would they approve ours and not theirs? If we don’t stand up for (the atheists’) rights, ours will be trampled too. :icon_eek:

From the comments:

Chad February 17, 2009

I'm with Cullen here. What's up with the double-standard? The measure of a free society is how strongly we are willing to defend the equality of speech of those we disagree with. If the city is willing to show religious ads but not atheist ones, that shows contempt for one of the most cherished principles of a free society. Views that require special status to survive merely demonstrate their inherent weakness.
:icon_cool:

tagnostic
February 19th, 2009, 08:28 AM
Views that require special status to survive merely demonstrate their inherent weakness. :icon_cool:


Wow,
well said.

Tsar Phalanxia
February 19th, 2009, 11:35 AM
Views that require special status to survive merely demonstrate their inherent weakness.
FLAWLESS VICTORY

google_is_my_friend
February 21st, 2009, 12:53 PM
what would you do without canadian bacon?

Fallen Hero
February 26th, 2009, 05:58 PM
what would you do without canadian bacon?

The same thing I do without a drunken sailor earl-eye'd in the morning.

tagnostic
February 26th, 2009, 06:01 PM
what would you do without canadian bacon?

buy American?