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Tsar Phalanxia
May 8th, 2009, 09:07 AM
This is exactly like what would happen with global warming. If we did something (Yeah right) and solved the problem, people would claim there was no threat in the first place, and if there are mass drought/floods/disease/migrations/war, then people will complain that the government didn't do anything about it. Why? Because people are stupid.

Dayve
May 8th, 2009, 09:24 AM
It would be difficult to do anything about global warming though. We know global warming is occuring, it's the cause of it that people seem to be confused about. It's not humans causing it, it's the natural rhythm of our suns life.

Earth is hundreds of millions of years old, and every few million the climate changes. It's been doing it before humans were here "polluting" the atmosphere, and it'll be doing it long after we're gone.

sudikics
May 8th, 2009, 11:24 PM
Earth is hundreds of millions of years old, and every few million the climate changes. It's been doing it before humans were here "polluting" the atmosphere, and it'll be doing it long after we're gone.
How about we discuss global warming in another thread, OK?

Dayve
May 10th, 2009, 05:14 AM
Thread derailment is the norm here though... just look at every other thread in this section.

sudikics
May 10th, 2009, 02:57 PM
Except we're trying to fix that.

BigDaddySmooth
May 10th, 2009, 03:07 PM
By just splitting anything remotely not on topic?

Way to go, man, way to go.

sudikics
May 10th, 2009, 03:13 PM
In SD and GD? Yes? In IFU? No.

By the way, split.

BigDaddySmooth
May 10th, 2009, 03:15 PM
In SD and GD? Yes? In IFU? No.

By the way, split.

... For fuck's sake.

The Laughing Man
May 10th, 2009, 04:43 PM
In SD and GD? Yes? In IFU? No.

By the way, split.

Fucking pathetic. You're pretty bad at this mod stuff.

Just let people discuss things when and where they want.

If a bunch of people ask for the thread to be split, then you should consider it.

sudikics
May 10th, 2009, 04:52 PM
Fucking pathetic. You're pretty bad at this mod stuff.
Opinion noted. Next?
Just let people discuss things when and where they want.
How about not? Some of us actually enjoy sections where topics aren't derailed and debates can take place where people leave their dramatic garbage at the door.
If a bunch of people ask for the thread to be split, then you should consider it.
I do consider it. But usually it's the other way around.

The Laughing Man
May 10th, 2009, 05:01 PM
Your heavy-handed moderation is causing that "dramatic garbage" that you hate so much. I thought you would have caught on to that fact by now.

sudikics
May 10th, 2009, 05:03 PM
Your heavy-handed moderation is causing that "dramatic garbage" that you hate so much. I thought you would have caught on to that fact by now.
Why must you have a moderation-free GD and SD as well? Are you not satisfied with IFU?

The Laughing Man
May 10th, 2009, 05:20 PM
Why must you have a moderation-free GD and SD as well? Are you not satisfied with IFU?

Moderation is fine when the moderators are held accountable. If a bunch of people ask you to split a thread and you do it, I have no problem with that.

Splitting a thread on your personal whim is an abuse of your powers.

DrM
May 10th, 2009, 05:29 PM
Dont listen to him skicidus, its not an abuse of powers. You were completely justified.

Laughing man, so skicidus wants discussions to stay on topic, SO WHAT. why do you care. Its easy enough for you to make a new discussion about global warming... Splitting is a better alternative to deleting the thread altogether.

fomenter
May 10th, 2009, 05:52 PM
Moderation is fine when the moderators are held accountable. If a bunch of people ask you to split a thread and you do it, I have no problem with that.

Splitting a thread on your personal whim is an abuse of your powers.

you have left IFU alone? when did this happen?

and copy from another thread for relevance

"No one believes more firmly than Comrade scikidus that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"

Tsar Phalanxia
May 10th, 2009, 09:51 PM
Jesus Christ guys, he split a thread. It's not like he banned anyone. This is a prime example of the way you guys take any modding to mean too much modding. And Scikidus isn't creating "dramatic garbage" it's your responses to his moderation that is causing it.

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I find George Monbiot's articles to be pretty decent about global warming, since he always backs his stuff up in facts, and I can read him in the Guardian every Thursday :3

http://www.monbiot.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Monbiot

Dayve
May 10th, 2009, 10:35 PM
Having moderated a few forums i find the best way to stop derailment is simply to delete the posts entirely. If you warn people about it, especially males, ego kicks in and they don't want to look as though they've had a good telling off and are going to obey you, so they feel the need to respond, then you feel the need to respond, then someone else feels the need to throw in their two pennies, usually on the mods side for suckup purposes, and so on and so forth.

So, just delete them. :D

Tsar - I've read a few of his articles, but it seems to me he's merely falling in line with the other activists and offering solutions rather than investigating whether or not humans are actually contributing to climate change, a natural phenomenon that is caused by our sun, and has been happening for as long as earth has been around.

The only real solution to global warming and climate change is to invent some kind of device that will change the nature of our sun, which is what has always caused global warming and climate change.

fomenter
May 10th, 2009, 10:42 PM
yes i trust others to know whats best, they wont abuse the power or use it against me or to limit my speech..

- A small mind is easily filled with faith.
- The loyal slave learns to love the lash.
The truly heroic trust in blind faith.
- Blessed is a closed mind filled with faith.
-Blind faith is a just cause.- To be just, our law must be cruel.
- Be thankful for thy punishment for thou deserves it and it betters thee.
- Choice is the one burden we need not suffer.

fomenter
May 10th, 2009, 10:49 PM
and this we should do this as well, to improve the forum experience


# "If the mod could thrust its hand into the past and say this or that even, it never happened—
# "every record of everything you had ever done was wiped out, your one-time existence was denied and then forgotten. You were abolished, annihilated: vaporized
# "And if all others accepted the lie which the mod imposed—if all records told the same tale—then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the coG slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.'"
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3


# "Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the mods could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary."
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 3
- George Orwell, 1984, Book 1, Chapter 1

Daruko
May 10th, 2009, 10:49 PM
Socially, I don't think we're capable of the changes that would be required to truly prevent global warming and some of the other significant pollution-caused dangers, but I also don't really think it matters. First, because I'm not fond of ideas that center around fixing the world by changing a shit load of perspectives. Secondly, because it's theoretically possible and feasible within the next few decades to develop highly efficient devices that can clean up all that shit for us. It seems much more productive to me to concentrate on and encourage scientific and technological solutions, rather than waiting for politicians and voters to fight about this fix or that fix.

Tsar Phalanxia
May 11th, 2009, 09:04 AM
@Dayve
Despite the vast, vast amount of evidence supporting the fact that man-made climate change is a reality and likely to have disastrous effects upon civilisation, shouldn't we be looking to free ourselves from fossil fuels anyway, considering that at one point they will run out, and in the meantime they are dirtying our streets and polluting our air?

Yiuel
May 11th, 2009, 07:57 PM
Tsar - I've read a few of his articles, but it seems to me he's merely falling in line with the other activists and offering solutions rather than investigating whether or not humans are actually contributing to climate change, a natural phenomenon that is caused by our sun, and has been happening for as long as earth has been around.

The only real solution to global warming and climate change is to invent some kind of device that will change the nature of our sun, which is what has always caused global warming and climate change.

Yes, the Sun has had some effects on global warming. But life on Earth has had a lot more (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth#Proterozoic_eon).

Indeed, we do have evidence that the levels of CO2 are raising on Earth, and that these levels agree with the general rise in temperature since the beginning of industrialization. It would be tedious to show you all the records the scientific world has, but this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming) should be a good first read.

Interestingly, I have once seen a graphic suggesting that if we were really following the Sun, we would be going into a cool era. The Little Ice Age was the beginning of it, and it was stopped by the increase of industrialization. Indeed, we might have saved ourselves from an Ice Age. I remember that the graphic's author was still worried, because there was too much CO2, still. I found interesting, I would like to find it again.

fomenter
May 11th, 2009, 08:20 PM
oh noes the science is conclusive!! lets go live in a cave and hunt mammoth now, before we become extinct

http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner~y2009m1d21-Oceans-are-cooling-according-to-NASA (http://www.examiner.com/x-1586-Baltimore-Weather-Examiner%7Ey2009m1d21-Oceans-are-cooling-according-to-NASA)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/11/16/do1610.xml

http://www.dailytech.com/A+Melting+Arctic+Happy+News+for+Mankind/article12882.htm

http://www.dailytech.com/A+Melting+Arctic+Happy+News+for+Mankind/article12882.htm

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/lieberman-warner-debate-senator-rohrabacher-do-you-really-think-the-world-is-filled-with-morons/

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=64734

http://canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0927/p13s03-sten.html

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110010607

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=8641

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/07/06/greenland_ice_yields_hope_on_climate/

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/317/5834/36?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=eske+willerslev&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,176495.shtml

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=110107A

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-adapt26mar26,0,4227673.story

Tsar Phalanxia
May 11th, 2009, 10:17 PM
Dude, only one of those sources is from a sciency kind of magazine. The rest are from mainstream newspapers, who frequently don't know what they're talking about, since their only goal is to sell papers.

fomenter
May 11th, 2009, 10:34 PM
neither do the politicians using "fear of warming" scare tactics to promote political agendas. or the people that repeat them

scientists are good at taking measurements the small increase in temp is real the cause and the future severity of the change is up for debate

i grabbed a bunch of random anti warming articles on the topic to suggest that maybe its not so conclusive whether it is caused by humans or if it caused by us how much we contribute

some of the "news articles" give the names of scientists and if you want to look up what they say in scholarly journals you can, these just were easy for me to find.


BTW yiuel linked to wikipedia as his reference:icon_eek:

Will.
May 11th, 2009, 10:52 PM
Do not put off till tomorrow what can be put off till day-after-tomorrow just as well.

MARK TWAIN

Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.


Two Twain quotes that explain this predicament that people seem to have gotten themselves into.