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Dolores
May 17th, 2009, 06:29 PM
How do people here perceive Twitter as a communication tool? It is potentially a valuable, useful means of spreading information, or is it an online form of white noise?

Does anyone here Twitter, and if yes, what kinds of things do you use it for? Do you have multiple accounts for different uses (for instance, an account that you use for business-related tweets and one for personal musings) or just a single account that you use for everything? How do you feel about people having multiple Twitter accounts for different uses?

Are you an active Tweeter, or just a follower? Do you follow political figures, or get many political/social updates via Twitter?

What is your opinion of the quality of news bites you have observed on Twitter? Should people take it seriously, or is it just a blogging toy?

Clark Nova
May 17th, 2009, 06:32 PM
I use twitter. I sometimes link to cool images or try posting funny comments.
And I added a load of people who do the same. However I tend to delete anyone who uses it as a genuine tool to update what they are doing right now and I think twitter should move away from that angle.

Dolores
May 17th, 2009, 06:39 PM
Likewise, I find I'm most interested in following people who post interesting or insightful thoughts, and not so much the "Now I'm making a peanut butter jely sandwich" type posts.

Banner of Juche
May 17th, 2009, 06:41 PM
http://twitter.com/bannerofjuche

I enjoy twitting.

Tsar Phalanxia
May 17th, 2009, 06:54 PM
I only use it to follow the updates of the Europa Barbarorum II development team, seeing as how they're really stingy with releasing conventional updates. I think it's one of those things you need a Laptop or an iPhone to use properly, neither of which I have.

http://twitter.com/bannerofjuche

I enjoy twitting.

Ugh.

Clark Nova
May 17th, 2009, 06:57 PM
http://twitter.com/bannerofjuche

I enjoy twitting.

You have the best twitter. I will be expecting as many updates as happy people in glorious Korean empire.

Dr Goofy Mofo
May 18th, 2009, 04:11 AM
Great ad tool, or if you are a busy person and someone needs to know what you are doing, but other then that it is another drain on society.

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Twitter is totally serious.

ODWGOOG
May 18th, 2009, 08:35 AM
hi,
i'm using twitter (my account is http://twitter.com/odwgoog) to stay in touch with the latests IT news, social news etc

i don't give a s**t about those who tell what they are doing on every minute. i don't care when Oprah goes to bathroom to change her Tampax. for me twitter is like another "stumble upon". i like to share infos. if i want to know what my friends are doing, i can call them on phone or i can talk on Y!M or skype.

maybe twitter will be the rss killer. time will tell.

everyday i received 10-15 emails who announce me that someone is following me but when i look in the list with my followers i don't see them. i'm afraid that twitter will be used more and more like a marketing tool.

Cain
May 18th, 2009, 12:56 PM
I find it useful to get news on breaking stories and the like. Also to follow specialist interests, like international security.

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 05:25 PM
Dolores, I have a question for you.

Would you mind if I moved this thread to General Discussion?

Dolores
May 18th, 2009, 06:05 PM
Dolores, I have a question for you.

Would you mind if I moved this thread to General Discussion?

I'm totally fine with it, provided all the other web tool threads are also being moved to GD, including the Wolfram/Alpha one.

Thanks for asking first.

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 06:23 PM
I'm totally fine with it, provided all the other web tool threads are also being moved to GD, including the Wolfram/Alpha one.

Of course they would all be moved. Shit if I could just do things without retaliation or a shit storm all the social networking sites would be in one big thread in GD.

Edit:
I just checked out the Wolfram/Alpha thread. It looks like that is geared more towards talking about Google...so I feel it should stay in Googlism Chat, but that's just my opinion...

Thanks for asking first.

Hey no problem. You took the time to make this thread even if it's in the wrong section ;) so I might as well take the time to ask you to move it.

Dolores
May 18th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Can I ask what, exactly, the definition of "serious" is for the purposes of this subforum?

Because a serious conversation on the topic of technology seems... well, serious. It's not like I'm talking about my hair.

Is there another subforum for technology? It says "science" up there in the forum description, and usually technology is treated as a subset of science. It also says "etc." which leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

I think that "Serious" is far too subjective to give users a good idea of what they're supposed to post here, and also that discussions of technology don't really belong in "general" if that's also the catch-all for people talking about their personal lives.

I really don't mind you moving this or the other web technology threads, but I'd like to see a clarification of what is and is not welcome in "Serious Discussion", because a lot of threads are getting moved.

fomenter
May 18th, 2009, 06:41 PM
:icon_lol: i want to answer this, but it isn't serious it's google chat and then where would the thread go:icon_lol:

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 06:44 PM
Let me try to tackle all this to the best of my ability before I go run off and grab a shower.

Can I ask what, exactly, the definition of "serious" is for the purposes of this subforum?

Well serious could be defined like good and evil. It could range from person to person...however the serious discussion should be just for that. Where serious discussion/debate can take place. Now before you go off talking about circular logic that is circular and poor definitions, the fact of the matter is, we all have common sense and from what I've seen you guys do know what should be in SD and what shouldn't be.

Topics about myspace, twitter or youtube aren't serious. Topics about the economy, abortion, social classes where stimulating conversations and debates can happen are serious.

I'm probably not helping at all anymore with this definition so I'll stop here...but I do believe you guys know what should be in that section and what shouldn't be.


Because a serious conversation on the topic of technology seems... well, serious. It's not like I'm talking about my hair.

Right on.

Is there another subforum for technology? It says "science" up there in the forum description, and usually technology is treated as a subset of science. It also says "etc." which leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

I can't say there isn't another subforum for techmology, but General Discussion should be good for most of it...unless it's something like the REAL ID act in which that's pretty serious. Serious bullshit.

I think that "Serious" is far too subjective to give users a good idea of what they're supposed to post here, and also that discussions of technology don't really belong in "general" if that's also the catch-all for people talking about their personal lives.

Agreed, you've seen the abuse the term 'Serious' can bring.
It's like you making a legitimate serious thread...then I come in making one about dick cheese. It's clearly not serious to the community as a whole, but for me it is, seeing how my dick is leaking cheese.

(which I can assure you it's not.)

I really don't mind you moving this or the other web technology threads, but I'd like to see a clarification of what is and is not welcome in "Serious Discussion", because a lot of threads are getting moved.

You know, I'd like to see a good clarification too, because tons of threads that are in SD are clearly not serious.


but okay I'm done fucking up this reply. I'm gonna go shower.

fomenter
May 18th, 2009, 06:57 PM
the indefinability and the ease of abuse is why i have been campaigning to get the "serious" title removed and the thread moving "seriously" limited..

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 07:17 PM
Yeah Serious Discussion should just be called Debate. And you only go in there if you wish to debate. Everything else goes to General Discussion.

fomenter
May 18th, 2009, 07:23 PM
i like the idea of calling it advanced search (cause its mine and its googlie) and having a debate sub-forum in the advanced search area for debating, rename general as "members lounge" and keep it for the personal threads and the Internet funny ..

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 07:24 PM
Word, however idiots will think that advanced search would be an actual search feature.

fomenter
May 18th, 2009, 07:26 PM
if they are that dumb they can stop breathing and wont be missed..

spam bots would make better members..

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 07:26 PM
'I think I just felt the earth get lighter, another moron died'

:icon_lol:

Dolores
May 18th, 2009, 08:27 PM
I'd like to point out that I have colleagues who use Twitter as a marketing tool.

The problem I have with the "you know what's serious and what's not" answer is that no, as a matter of fact, serious can and does mean different things to different people.

You have no serious use for Twitter so you cannot conceive of why or how someone might discuss it as a "serious" topic. Meanwhile, on another web forum, there is a 12-page thread discussing the effectiveness of using Twitter as a business marketing and customer outreach tool. Is that not "serious" to you? Because it is to me. But then, I am a business owner and making use of marketing tools is crucial to my survival.

It sounds like you are defining the word "serious" to mean "controversial, extreme, or politically and socially divisive". In which case, I recommend renaming this forum "Controversial Discussion". Even that is subjective, though; what scale of controversy is controversial enough?

What's happening is that people are looking at the word "serious" and applying their own definitions to it. A user might want to have a "serious" (non-joking) discussion about engine repair, for instance, and post their thread here. Is that not "serious"? What about Daruko's post about his latest made-up illness? Surely illness is "serious", right? Surely it's not humorous.

Then mods are coming along and deciding that, according to whatever definition of "serious" they're using, some of these posts aren't serious enough, and they're getting moved, and the OP feels insulted. It's like a comedy of errors.

Main Entry:se·ri·ous http://www.merriam-webster.com/images/audio.gif (http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?seriou01.wav=serious%27)
Pronunciation: \ˈsir-ē-əs\
Function:adjective
Etymology:Middle English seryows, from Anglo-French or Late Latin; Anglo-French serious, from Late Latin seriosus, alteration of Latin serius weighty, serious; probably akin to Old English swę̄r heavy, sadDate:15th century

1: thoughtful or subdued in appearance or manner : sober (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sober) <a quiet, serious girl>
2 a: requiring much thought or work <serious study> b: of or relating to a matter of importance <a serious play>
3 a: not joking or trifling : being in earnest <a serious question> barchaic : pious (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pious) c: deeply interested : devoted (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/devoted) <a serious musician>
4 a: not easily answered or solved <serious objections> b: having important or dangerous possible consequences <a serious injury>
5: excessive or impressive in quality, quantity, extent, or degree <serious stereo equipment> <making serious money> <serious drinking>
My best suggestion is, either rename the forum something more specific and less subjective, or mods should stop applying their own subjective definitions of "serious" and leave posts where they are unless the OP requests a move.

Maybe instead of "General" and "Serious", the subs should be:
*General
*Politics
*Sociology
*Science and technology

It would be pretty clear what goes where. No need for a "debate" sub, because debates would happen, or not, naturally.

Dr Goofy Mofo
May 18th, 2009, 08:40 PM
I'm totally fine with it, provided all the other web tool threads are also being moved to GD, including the Wolfram/Alpha one.

Thanks for asking first.

I moved that to Googlism chat last night after roger made a point about it.

rzm61
May 18th, 2009, 09:29 PM
I moved that to Googlism chat last night after roger made a point about it.

Yeah, that seems to be the most suitable sub-forum for that particular thread.

Dr Goofy Mofo
May 19th, 2009, 10:12 PM
messages ITT should be limited to 140 letters

I second this!