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The Laughing Man
May 23rd, 2009, 07:23 PM
hxxp://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/05/european-elections-broadcast-2009/

They just released it today and the obvious racism is sickening.

It includes all the usual cliches of far-right populist/neo-fascist propaganda. Referring to the "people who built this country" and "christian values" (in a country where only like 1% of the population still regularly attend church).

The most curious part though was their criticism of muslims for their "attacks on people of the Jewish faith". Have these guys forgot who they are? They're the National Front with suits and hair, for jebus' sake. People buy this shit though.

And why do these retards always go on about Churchill, using him as a weapon against the EU? I'm pretty sure he was one of the earliest proponents of a federal Europe. Silly nazis.

Link is hxxp'd, since I didn't think you guys would want this place linked to their site.

Cain
May 23rd, 2009, 08:14 PM
Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, wrote a book called "Who are the mindbenders?" which is about a Jewish conspiracy secretly controlling the British media.

One of the top BNP councillors has been promoting holocaust denial on Stormfront.

For the BNP to talk to anyone about attacks on Jewish people is the height of hypocrisy.

The Good Reverend Roger
May 23rd, 2009, 08:21 PM
Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, wrote a book called "Who are the mindbenders?" which is about a Jewish conspiracy secretly controlling the British media.

One of the top BNP councillors has been promoting holocaust denial on Stormfront.

For the BNP to talk to anyone about attacks on Jewish people is the height of hypocrisy.


And hilarious. They're trying to be kinder, gentler Nazis, in the hope of the mainstream vote.

:icon_lol:

Google up the ANP. That's about as much future as the BNP has, barring catastrophe.

Cain
May 23rd, 2009, 08:30 PM
George Lincoln Rockwell's mob, you mean?

Sadly, Nick Griffin's tactics are working. Admittedly, he is being helped by events well out of his control (end of the Cold War, "globalization", terrorism fears etc) but Rockwell had about 500 sycophants. The BNP has 10,000 members and managed to gain 69,000 votes for the London Mayoral race alone. They're quite likely to gain a seat in the European elections coming up next month, and when they do, they'll get access to EU funds as well.

And their number of front organizations is...fairly impressive, considering the lack of calibre recruits the party is plauged by. Not to mention their ties to the international fascist movement, with friends in America, Europe and South Africa only too willing to put in time and money to help them succeed.

The Good Reverend Roger
May 23rd, 2009, 08:33 PM
George Lincoln Rockwell's mob, you mean?

Sadly, Nick Griffin's tactics are working. Admittedly, he is being helped by events well out of his control (end of the Cold War, "globalization", terrorism fears etc) but Rockwell had about 500 sycophants. The BNP has 10,000 members and managed to gain 69,000 votes for the London Mayoral race alone. They're quite likely to gain a seat in the European elections coming up next month, and when they do, they'll get access to EU funds as well.

And their number of front organizations is...fairly impressive, considering the lack of calibre recruits the party is plauged by. Not to mention their ties to the international fascist movement, with friends in America, Europe and South Africa only too willing to put in time and money to help them succeed.


If they take EU funds, won't their opponents ass rape them over it?

Loki
May 23rd, 2009, 10:45 PM
If they take EU funds, won't their opponents ass rape them over it?

I'm sure they'll get called hypocrites by the press but would they care? It's for the greater good you know. They'll be ready for it;

"Got to be in it to change it!" "We're a valid political party! Why shouldn't we take EU money!". "It's our RIGHT!". "That one in the spotlight! He don't look right to me - get him up against the wall"

They've got a big following where I live (Northern England) and they're going to win more seats in the EU and local elections this time. No question about that.

I think the farce over MP expenses has helped a lot. I don't know what the press coverage is like outside the UK but "Moat Cleaning" and "Duck Island" hasn't helped the public confidence in the main parties.

The Good Reverend Roger
May 24th, 2009, 12:15 AM
I'm sure they'll get called hypocrites by the press but would they care? It's for the greater good you know. They'll be ready for it;

"Got to be in it to change it!" "We're a valid political party! Why shouldn't we take EU money!". "It's our RIGHT!". "That one in the spotlight! He don't look right to me - get him up against the wall"

They've got a big following where I live (Northern England) and they're going to win more seats in the EU and local elections this time. No question about that.

I think the farce over MP expenses has helped a lot. I don't know what the press coverage is like outside the UK but "Moat Cleaning" and "Duck Island" hasn't helped the public confidence in the main parties.

We heard about the moat cleaning. We thought that was a joke.

Loki
May 24th, 2009, 01:03 AM
We heard about the moat cleaning. We thought that was a joke.

It is a fucking joke.
They really have claimed for things like moat cleaning and an artificial island, in ones lake, for the ducks.

The Italians have got it right - vote for the candidate with the biggest tits.

Dayve
May 24th, 2009, 03:22 AM
It's another case of history repeating itself. A country (the UK in this instance) has an old, stagnating government that has barely changed for decades, that nobody trusts one iota anymore, whose speeches are so boring and repetitive that people have the remote on hand to change the channel as quickly as possible when there is danger of one being on the TV.

A government that is making all the wrong choices, pleasing only a handful of (wealthy) people and pissing off the rest, and at the same time a lot of bad things happening that the public want resolved, which are simply not being resolved, or even mentioned in speeches.

And so, along comes a party criticizing every little thing the current government is doing, and rightly so too by all accounts, and whipping the crowd into a frenzy. The crowd are so sick and tired of the boring, repetitive, dysfunctional government that has sat in office and done nothing but shaft us for decades, that they are willing to go from one extreme to another, overlooking any middle ground.

Why are they overlooking any middle ground? Why because there is no middle ground. You either vote for the tired old governments that have been in power for decades and done nothing favourable, or you vote for the opposite extreme, which in this case is the BNP, because there just isn't any middle ground at all.

Even though i personally agree with quite a lot of what the BNP say, i would never vote for them, not even with a gun to my head, because I, and hopefully a great many more people too, know that, given the chance, they will address these issues in the most hateful and extreme way they possibly can conceive. If you want to compare it to breaking eggs and making ommlettes, they'll break way more eggs than is necessary to make the ommlette we desire.

If they ever get the power they're shooting for, which thankfully is quite unlikely, there will be a few years of rejoicing from their supporters, the rest will stay silent, then they will be ousted from power and we'll be on our knees begging the old guys who bored and displeased us so to come back and govern us again. Even the old BNP supporters will be begging for them to come back.

Tsar Phalanxia
May 24th, 2009, 10:04 AM
hxxp://tv.bnp.org.uk/2009/05/european-elections-broadcast-2009/

They just released it today and the obvious racism is sickening.

It includes all the usual cliches of far-right populist/neo-fascist propaganda. Referring to the "people who built this country" and "christian values" (in a country where only like 1% of the population still regularly attend church).

The most curious part though was their criticism of muslims for their "attacks on people of the Jewish faith". Have these guys forgot who they are? They're the National Front with suits and hair, for jebus' sake. People buy this shit though.
It's sad. They gain support through ignorance, for instance saying that loads of people/immigrants claim benefits they're not entitled to, when in actual fact a lot more benefits go unclaimed than are stolen. They also have a tendency to willingly deceive (Obviously), for example saying on their election leaflet that they oppose the entry of Turkey into the EU. Ok, fair enough, but why? "As it will let 80 million Turks immigrate into the country". So the BNP is claiming that should Turkey enter into the EU, then the entire population of Turkey will up sticks and migrate to the UK? It's logistically and logically impossible!

And why do these retards always go on about Churchill, using him as a weapon against the EU? I'm pretty sure he was one of the earliest proponents of a federal Europe. Silly nazis.
UKIP pull that shit too, putting Winston Churchill, complete with V for Victory on their election leaflets. How could he oppose the EU when he wasn't even alive when it was created :icon_question:
Personally, I have a theory that the expenses scandal, revealed by the Telegraph no less, is all a UKIP plot. With the European Elections coming up in June, if the Daily Telegraph (Read: Barclay Brothers) had wanted the Tories to do well, then they would have waited until the elections had passed before releasing the info, seeing as Labour would obviously take a thrashing at the Tories expense and that Tories had some of the most outrageous claims. That's why I'm eagerly looking forward to them releasing the expenses of the one UKIP MP.
Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, wrote a book called "Who are the mindbenders?" which is about a Jewish conspiracy secretly controlling the British media.

One of the top BNP councillors has been promoting holocaust denial on Stormfront.

For the BNP to talk to anyone about attacks on Jewish people is the height of hypocrisy.
It's easier to present Muslims as a target, since they're all terrorists and they have the obviously non-Anglo-Saxon brown skin. :icon_rolleyes:
And hilarious. They're trying to be kinder, gentler Nazis, in the hope of the mainstream vote.

It's ironic that the people who they're appealing to, middle aged/elderly white Christians would either have fought the Nazis or been brought up thinking that Nazis were the bad guys, in movies and the such. They're pretty dim if those same people then vote for the BNP.

Google up the ANP. That's about as much future as the BNP has, barring catastrophe.
That would have to be one big catastrophe. Those fuckers are insane.
Sadly, Nick Griffin's tactics are working. Admittedly, he is being helped by events well out of his control (end of the Cold War, "globalization", terrorism fears etc) but Rockwell had about 500 sycophants. The BNP has 10,000 members and managed to gain 69,000 votes for the London Mayoral race alone.
They're quite likely to gain a seat in the European elections coming up next month, and when they do, they'll get access to EU funds as well.
See, this is why I like our electoral system. Sure, we get stuck with Labour/Tories, but we all know that the BNP has a snowball's chance in hell in forming a government with First Past the Post.
If they take EU funds, won't their opponents ass rape them over it?
This is what I've never understood about UKIP or the BNP. They hate the EU, and want to leave it, but they stand in elections for it. :icon_question: Maybe they want to bring the system down from within.
I'm sure they'll get called hypocrites by the press but would they care? It's for the greater good you know. They'll be ready for it;

"Got to be in it to change it!" "We're a valid political party! Why shouldn't we take EU money!". "It's our RIGHT!". "That one in the spotlight! He don't look right to me - get him up against the wall"
We're in Catch 22 situation; if we criticise them, they look like an "alternative", and if we don't, they rise unhindered. :(

They've got a big following where I live (Northern England) and they're going to win more seats in the EU and local elections this time. No question about that.
Also, Labour's rightwards drift has left a vacuum for the working class; they have no-one to vote for, save the BNP. It would be interesting to see in twenty years how much of a role Blair played in the hopefully non-existent rise of the BNP.
I think the farce over MP expenses has helped a lot. I don't know what the press coverage is like outside the UK but "Moat Cleaning" and "Duck Island" hasn't helped the public confidence in the main parties.
Yes, that links in to what I said about the Daily Telegraph releasing the details at this time. I wouldn't call the Barclay Brothers Nazis, but who knows...
We heard about the moat cleaning. We thought that was a joke.
Well, and Englishman's home is his castle. And a moat to keep those pesky constituents away.
It is a fucking joke.
They really have claimed for things like moat cleaning and an artificial island, in ones lake, for the ducks.
Tbh, they were both Tories. Also, when you consider how, much they get paid (60,000), in comparison to th amount of work they do (Attend Parliament, Surgeries, Letters etc) It's not really that much, certainly when compared to other countries, like the US of A.

The Italians have got it right - vote for the candidate with the biggest tits.
I think our version would be Joanna Lumley :icon_rolleyes:
It's another case of history repeating itself. A country (the UK in this instance) has an old, stagnating government that has barely changed for decades, that nobody trusts one iota anymore, whose speeches are so boring and repetitive that people have the remote on hand to change the channel as quickly as possible when there is danger of one being on the TV.
It's not the government, it's the whole system. And that's what's scary. Hopefully, after the next general election, things will change for the better.



A government that is making all the wrong choices, pleasing only a handful of (wealthy) people and pissing off the rest, and at the same time a lot of bad things happening that the public want resolved, which are simply not being resolved, or even mentioned in speeches.
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A government that is making all the wrong choices, pleasing only a handful of (wealthy) people and pissing off the rest, and at the same time a lot of bad things happening that the public want resolved, which are simply not being resolved, or even mentioned in speeches.
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The government is lurching around, totally failing to capture the public mood, (E.g. Gurkhas, expenses, bonuses), and electing the Conservative to solve a problem caused by conservative policies doesn't seem smart.
[QUOTE=Dayve;136643]
And so, along comes a party criticizing every little thing the current government is doing, and rightly so too by all accounts, and whipping the crowd into a frenzy. The crowd are so sick and tired of the boring, repetitive, dysfunctional government that has sat in office and done nothing but shaft us for decades, that they are willing to go from one extreme to another, overlooking any middle ground.

And that my friends, is the definition of populism.


Even though i personally agree with quite a lot of what the BNP say,
*Raises Eyebrow*

Such as?

, i would never vote for them, not even with a gun to my head, because I, and hopefully a great many more people too, know that, given the chance, they will address these issues in the most hateful and extreme way they possibly can conceive. If you want to compare it to breaking eggs and making ommlettes, they'll break way more eggs than is necessary to make the ommlette we desire.

They'd break all the eggs, and shoot all the chicken as well.

If they ever get the power they're shooting for, which thankfully is quite unlikely, there will be a few years of rejoicing from their supporters, the rest will stay silent, then they will be ousted from power and we'll be on our knees begging the old guys who bored and displeased us so to come back and govern us again. Even the old BNP supporters will be begging for them to come back.
Once a party like that gets into power, it will take a lot to get them out.

Cain
May 24th, 2009, 03:12 PM
If they take EU funds, won't their opponents ass rape them over it?

Sadly no. Like Loki says, the mainstream parties discredited themselves with their flagrant and extravagant abuse of taxpayer's money in the ongoing expenses scandals. They have no moral ground from which to call out the BNP from.

I think the only parties left which do are the Greens and Socialist Workers Party. Neither of which have any MPs. So yeah.

Plus the BNP will claim since they are using the money from the EU to improve their electoral chances, and thus the removal of the UK from the EU, they are in fact taking money to undermine the system. This fits in with the usual fascist disdain to open and free society, and the belief it undermines itself in preparation for the fascist takeover, and so matches their rhetoric in some interesting ways.

Loki
May 24th, 2009, 10:23 PM
Also, Labour's rightwards drift has left a vacuum for the working class; they have no-one to vote for, save the BNP. It would be interesting to see in twenty years how much of a role Blair played in the hopefully non-existent rise of the BNP.

I don't like extremes of any kind Phal but you have a point. As you know I don't vote Labour (or Tory :D For the love of god, NO!). I did vote Labour once, when Blair stood against the Tories - anything but the righties.
I can't see any difference between them now.

This Labour government has done more to erode our values and rights than any gov I've lived under.
They're as bad as the Thatcher gov in the '80s. That's saying something!


Yes, that links in to what I said about the Daily Telegraph releasing the details at this time. I wouldn't call the Barclay Brothers Nazis, but who knows...

It does smell a bit. I'm happy the info was leaked but I question the intention of an ex SAS Major with a string of failed business ventures in his wake.


Tbh, they were both Tories. Also, when you consider how, much they get paid (60,000), in comparison to th amount of work they do (Attend Parliament, Surgeries, Letters etc) It's not really that much, certainly when compared to other countries, like the US of A.

Ya - 60k isn't enough. Nurses get paid a lot more and do fuck all :D
Nah, they need to consolidate the salary and freebies (expenses) - we all fiddle our expenses (not me gov'ner!) but we know we're in the wrong.
That's my problem with this set of bastards - they think they're better than you and me.
That's a good way to piss me and 90% of the UK off.


I think our version would be Joanna Lumley :icon_rolleyes:


Mmmmmmm, Purdey :tongue:

Daruko
May 25th, 2009, 02:10 AM
I hardly ever pay attention to british politics... is it much different from us politics?

Dayve
May 25th, 2009, 02:57 AM
I hardly ever pay attention to british politics... is it much different from us politics?

No, not much different. The politicians lie through their teeth all day long and spend our taxes on things we don't want them spent on and never fix anything we want fixing, etc.

Our politicians are just a hell of a lot more boring.

Yiuel
May 25th, 2009, 01:25 PM
I don't like extremes of any kind Phal but you have a point. As you know I don't vote Labour (or Tory :D For the love of god, NO!). I did vote Labour once, when Blair stood against the Tories - anything but the righties.
I can't see any difference between them now.

This Labour government has done more to erode our values and rights than any gov I've lived under.
They're as bad as the Thatcher gov in the '80s. That's saying something!

DM says you have failed your political compass check.

In most countries, including the UK and my own (Canada), all parties that were, in the 70's, left-wing have now turned into fully right-wing. Indeed, take the 70's right-wing party, and you have pretty much a copy of today's "left-wing" (Liberals in Canada, Labour in UK, PS in France, YES EVEN THE FRENCH).

Oh, and I heard of the duck island. That was the silliest of silliest. But I shouldn't say that, because I am sure we'll se more silliness later.