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Will.
May 29th, 2010, 01:07 AM
Yes tag I know, but I do have a job sorta.

tagnostic
May 29th, 2010, 04:32 AM
hehehehe

ok, but still

lets get into this relationship and trust thing,

how can you have the one without the other?
if theres any doubt its just friction and watching movies,
if you don't have trust whats the point?

i think that with trust it stops becoming
an am I me
and more of a
we are us
it doesn't make you any less you
it should enhance you
your partner should help make you
more you and vice versa
in a real positive relationship
you should still be you
only the stable version
you stop being the beta
and move on to the final release...

Will.
May 29th, 2010, 05:36 AM
Yes, and yes. However, people's mindset if they are together and serious about it should be about, the 'us' aspect, not 'you' and 'I', the individual can remain, alas decisions and thoughts should strongly consider the aspect 'us' for a successful prison term/relationship/marriage to commence.

tagnostic
May 29th, 2010, 01:03 PM
hmmmm
i still think its possible
to be you
and involved
however it requires
the significant other
to recognize who you are
and to want you to be that
as opposed to changing you

Will.
May 29th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Hrmmmm... I agree partly, but if the trust isn't there to begin with it will end up baddly, and the lack of trust reflects not on the relationship but of the person without it. I will be here for the most part of the day alas I got myself a date.

tagnostic
May 30th, 2010, 03:34 PM
so,
were back to trust

when does it begin?
how do you valuate it?
how can you have a 'relationship' without it?
:shrug:

Will.
May 30th, 2010, 04:16 PM
Insecure and needy people with no self image?

OfficerFriendly
May 30th, 2010, 05:38 PM
Lesson learned from relationships....

No trust...no relationship...no way

without trust theres a distraction and therefore it is impossible to enjoy the relationship fully.

If one in the relationship lost trust, it just marks immaturity, not necessary a bad person.

If the relationship began with no trust, then the one lacking said trust needs to go away in a hurry. Don't waste your time.

Easily said than done, but if you are the one with no trust at the beginning, you haven't healed and its prudent for all parties that you should wait until thats done before diving into another relationship.

Of course you can hang around and earn the trust but why gamble your time away?

Sister Faith
May 30th, 2010, 06:47 PM
I agree with OF. No trust, no relationship (not the kind you want anyways).
I think that trust in a relationship becomes more important to a person when they get older.

When you're young, you may feel you have all the time in the world to change yourself or your partner to either gain or foster trust. But when you get to my end of the average life span, you'll have less patience and less time to get any.

It's impossible to change people and even harder to change yourself. So, I'm very much a take-me-as-I-am person. If you can't trust me (no matter whether it's earned or not), then move on and stop wasting what little time I have left.

I didn't explain myself there very well. Hope it makes sense to someone! :icon_lol:

Will.
May 30th, 2010, 08:21 PM
Sometimes people don't fully understand what it takes to trust someone. Or what it means. Also you both answered both sides of the argument, so I'm still unclear about the point.

tagnostic
May 31st, 2010, 05:31 AM
so what exactly is trust?

a belief that your values
are the same
a commitment to upholding those values
but is it a blind faith or a learned knowledge over time?
if it has to be learned and earned
doesn't that mean that theres always an element of doubt?
if its blind faith, its automatically flawed because you have ruled out
any questioning

i think so far for me its a combination of the two
you have to have a bit of faith, but you have to learn
that there are shared values

to be honest,
my personal
experience is that I have piss poor judgement
because i seem to believe in someones values
only to find out i've been okey doked,
so this is pure speculation, i'm definately not practically qualified
to have an objective opinion,
just speculating

the longest running relationships i've had
were/are with felines
Fingus is the only female i trust completely
and she can be a bitch, but at least i know
why she's being a bitch,
she's 12 now
before here there was samkitty for 18yrs
before that it was kiko for 15yrs
women come and go
but the felines are til death do us part

the longest human female and I were together 10 years
then she decided that i wasn't going to change (no shit)
so she took the house, 2 cars, 3 motorcycles, the bbq
basically everything but the clothes and samkitty
the cats i trust, women i don't, which is why i'm single
and relaxed, not into the drama that comes with being
a couple, i always thought it should be a we as a team
but the dynamic usually ends up they want to be the captain
and i'm just going to be me.

basic rules for tag
given to every one i've ever been involved with prior too..

i drink beer & scotch
i love cats and dogs
i like old cars and fast motorcycles
i spend more time on the computer than anywhere else
i listen to classic rock and sports on the radio
i watch football every sunday
i'm scruffy jeans and t shirts, i don't own a shirt with buttons
i cook for a living, i like it, i could make more money doing
other things but frankly it ain't worth it to me, i like to cook
rents paid, cats fed, i've got beer and cigarettes
everything else is other shit
this is me, it ain't gonna change

i used to trust
now i pet fingus

Will.
May 31st, 2010, 03:25 PM
I think we've got ourselves a winner.
Of what, I don't know.

Tags' longest standing human relationship
10 years.
Will.s' longest standing relationship, a year and a half.

tagnostic
May 31st, 2010, 08:31 PM
at least that one didn't try to shoot me
or the one that vaselined the discs
on my motorcycle, that hurt

Kiz Redweek
June 1st, 2010, 02:46 PM
I don't believe I really ever trusted my ex, for the entirety of the relationship, yet we did have a good run...

Toward the end it only became difficult because she moved to a different state, and then started doing things...and exhibiting a behaviour different than her previous one.

I assumed she was cheating.

I was right.

I don't really think I need trust. I think, at times, that trust will get in your way, that by trusting your judgement will be fogged.

It happens for me that way, anyway.

Sillibeez
June 1st, 2010, 04:07 PM
I think I'm on the same page as you Kiz. Feel comfortable sure, feel a connection okay, but always trust your gut. Like that saying, 'Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me'. I'm not going to have blind faith when It's highly possible I'm being played for a fool. Don't trust, don't necessarily doubt just be aware.

Will.
June 1st, 2010, 06:25 PM
Life, is like a bed of roses, sure it look's pretty, but damn does it smell like shit.

rzm61
June 1st, 2010, 06:27 PM
What roses have you been sniffing?

Will.
June 1st, 2010, 07:03 PM
What roses have you been sniffing?
The ones in the flowerbed, thats fertalized with sheep manure.

rzm61
June 1st, 2010, 07:06 PM
Is the manure fresh?
If so, that might be what you're smelling.

Will.
June 1st, 2010, 07:49 PM
Definately what I be smellin, howeva' govn'r it made for a good metaphor.

Sillibeez
June 1st, 2010, 08:16 PM
Lillies smell better than roses, you should sniff a different flower bed.

tagnostic
June 1st, 2010, 08:28 PM
i thought this was
a serious topic
relax and
communicate

Sillibeez
June 1st, 2010, 08:39 PM
Seriously, I think you should always be interested in meeting people and keeping people close to you. I think trust is a difficult thing to come by. You shouldn't trust too easily or you'll be let down quite a bit. You shouldn't have a wall up to everyone or you'll never have any one to rely on or be a shoulder for anyone else. I think you should go with your gut, trust your instincts because your instincts are your most reliable personal source. At the end of the day, You're all you have and you know you best. The more trusting you are with yourself, I believe, the more trusting you can be with others. 'If you can't trust yourself who can you trust?' Plus, going with your gut instinct will further your ability to read people which aids you in knowing when to trust.

tagnostic
June 1st, 2010, 09:02 PM
my guts
been wrong
before
fingus i trust
other than that
nope

Will.
June 1st, 2010, 09:14 PM
trust is a touchy subject, I trust everything until it gives me a reason to withdraw my trust, I trust a thief, to be a thief, no more no less, and how that person gains that trust as a thief means that they gave up their trust as a human, and yes this means I objectify trust, deal.

rzm61
June 1st, 2010, 09:21 PM
Lillies smell better than roses, you should sniff a different flower bed.

agreed.

tagnostic
June 1st, 2010, 09:22 PM
dang,
your profiling

and they protest us for that
(here in az)
so its different if your not in the desert?

Sillibeez
June 1st, 2010, 09:46 PM
I do NOT recommend sniffing cacti. Stick you nose where it doesnt belong and you'll get pricked.

Will.
June 1st, 2010, 09:49 PM
I'd rather be pricked for a sniff than goosed by a spruce moose.

tagnostic
June 2nd, 2010, 02:50 AM
cacti are tough
fingus is meaner
tho

OfficerFriendly
June 2nd, 2010, 03:56 AM
leave the cacti alone. at least they have a point. ohsnap!

Will.
June 2nd, 2010, 04:33 AM
leave the cacti alone. at least they have a point. ohsnap!
This is a message from a bicurious cacti.

" I've got a point!? Where? Get it off! Get it off! "

... Thank you.

rzm61
June 2nd, 2010, 04:48 AM
ohsnap!

lqtm. :D

tagnostic
June 2nd, 2010, 05:22 AM
cacti
are
your
friends
just
don't
get
too
close

Sporkinator
June 8th, 2010, 11:25 AM
why
do
you
write
each
word
on
its
own
line
for
crying
out
loud?

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 12:28 PM
you'll get
used to it

(it amuses me)

why does it
bother you?

Sporkinator
June 8th, 2010, 12:41 PM
It doesn't
bother me,
I was simply
curious why,
because most
people don't type
like
that.

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 12:55 PM
alrighty then,

I have to explain this about every 6 months, so its overdue.
When I used to run the wwiv boards back when a 9600 modem was cracking the wave,
it saved alot of time, it was much more efficient and I could go get a beer while I was waiting. Eventually it got to be amusing to make shapes out of the posts and to try to get my point across with the minimal number of keystrokes. When I started cruising boards it was actually on a 1200 baud acoustic modem. You don't wast keystrokes when it takes that kind of time and bandwidth. Now, I just find it amusing, its fun, and it doesn't hurt anyone, doesn't cause too many people to freak out, and it makes me happy.

its alot of fun to use the minimal amount of words to get my point across and still leave
double entendre's and puns involved. Not everybody catches every one but its still vastly amusing, Will is pretty good at catching what i try to get by, thats fun...

and I got to have a good time without spending money or going to jail

thats a Win

Sporkinator
June 8th, 2010, 01:03 PM
and I got to have a good time without spending money or going to jail

thats a WinIndeed. Reminds me of why I like to both play and design video games.

Kiz Redweek
June 8th, 2010, 01:21 PM
I always wondered why you did that, Tag, I just figured you were one of those weird people who typed like that. XD

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 01:26 PM
hehehehe
yeah, i'm
definately
one of those
wierd people

good to cya
how's it going?

Sporkinator
June 8th, 2010, 01:35 PM
Won tsop ym daer ot yrt! MUHAHAHA!

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 01:39 PM
will's gonna
get ya for that
:icon_lol:

Will.
June 8th, 2010, 03:51 PM
Wont stop my dare(dear?) to try! MUHAHAHA!

I do hope its dare, and yeah iwouldn'tdothatifiwereyou?
_tt_mpt_ng t_ c_nn_ct... Pl__s_ st_nd by...
_o__e__io_ _ai_e_.

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 06:26 PM
ye i ye i tow

Sporkinator
June 8th, 2010, 07:53 PM
Won tsop ym daer ot yrt! MUHAHAHA!It says "Try to read my post now!" ... MUHAHAHA!

I guess capitalizing the "W" in "now" really threw you off and you didn't realize that my post was backwards because "MUHAHAHA" was indeed NOT backwards.

tagnostic
June 8th, 2010, 08:03 PM
hehehe
that was
easy
didya get will's?

and i'll throw this in to
http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/song-chart-memes-silverware-conjunction.jpg

rzm61
June 8th, 2010, 10:51 PM
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2008/01/pentops2.jpg

Sporkinator
June 9th, 2010, 12:16 AM
_tt_mpt_ng t_ c_nn_ct... Pl__s_ st_nd by...
_o__e__io_ _ai_e_.Attempting to connect... Please stand by...
_o__e__io_ _ai_e_.

I don't know about the last part... give me a hint. xD

BTW, that Silverware in Conjunction Venn Diagram is an epic win!

tagnostic
June 9th, 2010, 12:45 AM
hehehehe
we should
start mage
battle back

you've almost got it
the vowels are the
clue and bear in mind
will is pretty twisted
which is why we
understand each other

Will.
June 9th, 2010, 12:56 AM
tHe odds of our existence, instAntly created the enevatability of it. tHerefore we exsist only becAuse the odds of anytHing hAppening are pre exsisting tHe plAnet we are on, and wHAtever HAppening now is predetermined Hence fAil.

tagnostic
June 9th, 2010, 01:06 AM
odds are
are often
mistaken
for facts
since
'we' are,
the probability
of our existance
is irrelevant

or

it is what it is

Will.
June 9th, 2010, 02:32 AM
That given any set of odds or eventualities are possible. Nothing is constant nor predictable, guideable or truely digested, as every action we make is a miracle in itself. Given the outstanding chance of almost obvious events or idealistic speculation.

tagnostic
June 9th, 2010, 02:35 AM
anything that is possible is possible,
but odds and probabilities don't negate
the fact that somethings are existant fact

Will.
June 9th, 2010, 02:43 AM
Facts have this way of changing occasionaly, observation and understanding are two very different aspects, people observe, no one understands.

tagnostic
June 9th, 2010, 02:49 AM
existance is the illusion of your own reality

Sporkinator
June 9th, 2010, 09:17 AM
Attempting to connect... Please stand by...
_o__e__io_ _ai_e_.Attempting to connect... Please stand by...
connection failed.

:icon_mrgreen:

tagnostic
June 9th, 2010, 12:34 PM
rofl
:icon_lol:

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 01:51 AM
existance is the illusion of your own reality


Hmm? I thought reality was the illusion of your own existence.
Or was it, illusion is the existence of your reality. :shrug:

Unconfuzzled I ain't. :icon_lol:

Will.
June 12th, 2010, 02:20 AM
Exsistence, is.

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 02:35 AM
But is it, in reality, an illusion?
If not, does that make us de-illusional? :icon_wut?:

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 02:55 AM
if you can't tell
does it matter?

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 03:10 AM
:icon_lol: Damn you! I can't think of anything to come back with to that. :(
It's been a long day.

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 03:15 AM
long days
are better
than no days
in a daze is
the preferable
mode

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 03:37 AM
Agreed!

http://www.zesser.com/blog/uploaded_images/sarah%20-%20chicks%20agree-752783.jpg

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 03:51 AM
alright
the
win
for
Sis

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 04:03 AM
We could all use some eye candy now and again.
Especially again :icon_lol:

http://hipish.free.fr/comments/sexy_men/sexy_men_12.jpg

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 04:04 AM
i could have done
without that:icon_eek:

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 04:13 AM
i could have done
without that:icon_eek:

Lol! Sorry, should have warned you first. :icon_lol:

Will.
June 12th, 2010, 04:20 AM
i could have done
without that:icon_eek:
I second that, I feel as if I should report the post :icon_lol:

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 04:22 AM
You should.
Do it!

DO IT! :icon_lol:

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 04:48 AM
I second that, I feel as if I should report the post :icon_lol:

roflshcuafl
to who
and for what?

it really was tacky though sis
you win

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 04:52 AM
Ha! You only got tacky.

I, on the other hand *titter*, got positively sticky. :icon_lol:

tagnostic
June 12th, 2010, 04:56 AM
way too much information
my bp can't take that much

Sister Faith
June 12th, 2010, 05:00 AM
K, I'll ease up.

I'm just about tapped out now anyways. :D

Kiz Redweek
June 16th, 2010, 03:10 PM
I liked the chick eye candy. X3

Will.
June 16th, 2010, 04:38 PM
That is the problem, most guys, (self excluded for my shovel face good looks) :icon_lol: do not fall under the category of eye candy.

tagnostic
June 16th, 2010, 05:21 PM
the only candy
i resemble
is those
sour
ones

Sister Faith
June 18th, 2010, 03:03 AM
I happen to love sour candy :icon_mrgreen:

Especially sour gummy bears :icon_cool:

Oh, and sour lime slush puppies. :icon_cool: :icon_cool:

tagnostic
June 18th, 2010, 03:20 AM
i'm closer
to sour
skeletor