Quantum Physics and the Big Bang

[FutureSub]

I am currently in a discussion on another forum on wheter religion is real or not. I'm one of the two people defending that religion isn't real (i.e Christianity, Islam, Judaeism<sp?>). One of the points I have going my way is the theory of quantum physics. This area of physics has mainly to do with the atomic level and helps to explain a lot of the anomlolies in the way the universe works and how it may have been started. I need some help if you can though. I read this at this article What Happened Before the Big Bang? (http://www.fortunecity.com/emachines/e11/86/big-bang.html) and found this to be intresting
Mostly, quantum events occur at the atomic level; we don't experience them in daily life. On the scale of atoms and molecules, the usual commonsense rules of cause and effect are suspended. The rule of law is replaced by a sort of anarchy or chaos, and things happen spontaneously-for no particular reason. Particles of matter may simply pop into existence without warning, and then equally abruptly disappear again. Or a particle in one place may suddenly materialize in another place, or reverse its direction of motion. Again, these are real effects occurring on an atomic scale, and they can be demonstrated experimentally.
but now I need some help. I've been looking on the internet, and I have not found info on these experiments where particles of matter pop up and dissapear without warning. If some fellow memebers could help me out or give their views it would be greatly appreciated.

[punkinside]

rent a movie called What the Bleep do we know? Down the rabbit hole

it kinda, sorta explains many things for non-physicists. And then just gets really weird near the end.

But one of the most important experiments for quantum physics is explained there.

You could also check out "A Brief History of Time" by Stephen Hawking.

Still, I don't think quantum physics is an appropriate subject to discuss with fundies, it normally sounds even weirder than their ghost stories.

[Alice Shade]

It`s not that easy.

I`ll just put it this way... We can measure only one parameter out of two - more precise we are in one, more vague in another.

If you know exact velocity of particle, you can`t know it`s exact position, and vice-versa.

Most basic example would be chemistry, and atomic structure of elements.
More precisely, electron clouds. For each tier of electrons, there is a cloud of possible positions, yet determining exact positrion of electron in any given moment of time is not possible.

Thus, electron exists in every point of this cloud - and yet, there is a chance not to find it in any particular part of it.

[jon_hill987]

Not quantum physics but it should help your argument anyway:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html

Oh and if you want to use my argument to show why the Church of England (and all the branches that came from it) that the fundies follow in America is wrong, feel free to use my argument.

Do you know why your branch of the church split form the Catholics? It was because King Henry VIII (of England) wanted to get a divorce but the Pope wouldn't let him, so he made his own church. Yes that is right, your church was started because someone wanted a divorce. Doesn't sound very divine to me, If one of the two are right it would logically be the Catholics. That is unless you are telling me that God came down to Henry and said:

"Hey don't worry about it, the Pope is wrong, you can get a divorce, just start a new religion!"

[Aullios]

Look into Hawking radiation:
Physical insight on the process may be gained by imagining that particle-antiparticle radiation is emitted from just beyond the event horizon. This radiation does not come directly from the black hole itself, but rather is a result of virtual particles being "boosted" by the black hole's gravitation into becoming real particles.

A more precise, but still much simplified view of the process is that vacuum fluctuations cause a particle-antiparticle pair to appear close to the event horizon of a black hole. One of the pair falls into the black hole whilst the other escapes. In order to preserve total energy, the particle which fell into the black hole must have had a negative energy (with respect to an observer far away from the black hole). By this process the black hole loses mass, and to an outside observer it would appear that the black hole has just emitted a particle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation

Basically, a particle and antiparticle appear out of nothing due to quantum fluctuations. Normally, the pair would rejoin and return to the nothing from whence they came. But, near a black hole, the antiparticle gets sucked in past the event horizon, while the particle appears to be emitted from the black hole.