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PotatoeOfDoom
June 10th, 2007, 03:33 AM
Ok, so i was on I-Am-Bored.com recently, and there was an add for a book that read: "New scientific discoveries that scientists don't want you to read!!"

so, i clicked on it thinking hey maybe it's gonna be interesting.

well it lead me Here (http://www.thefinaltheory.com/?gclid=CMvb8Ku-0IwCFQlQWAodp2Gwtw)

and I read it, and while there are holes, it kind of interested me.

I was wondering if anyone else thought this was kind of interesting?
(Even if it is complete bullcrap...)

Also here's a "Free Chapter" Clicky (http://www.thefinaltheory.com/freechapter.html)

And here's "Science Flaws" that the book claims to fix Clicky Again (http://www.thefinaltheory.com/scienceflaws.html)

Fallen Hero
June 13th, 2007, 02:23 PM
Load of crap as far as I see.. the example with the tunnel through the Earth. Not perpetual: why? Because it would not return to the same height as it started and thus would theoretically eventually end. At this point from how little I have read from that it is a load of shit made to sell money and undermine modern science.


I found a good review.. but it's 33 pages long, more hole filled and problematic as recognized physics. Don't buy that crap.

Alice Shade
June 13th, 2007, 03:40 PM
Tunnel through the center of earth would`ve resulted in perpetual motion only in ideal space.

Factually, due to friction with atmosphere (which can`t be absent for obvious reasons) and fluctiations of actual gravitation pull, body would`ve "fallen" on one of the walls eventually, during the fading oscillation.

PotatoeOfDoom
June 13th, 2007, 08:23 PM
ok. I'm only going into 9th grade and i don't know that much about physics or anything, so i didn't know if it was bullcrap or not

Alice Shade
June 14th, 2007, 08:52 AM
Actually, as far as I remember, physical basics, like friction and difference between ideal and real systems are explained in seventh grade, when phyisics begin.

Fallen Hero
June 14th, 2007, 02:57 PM
Well.. regardless of what level of education you have... use yee ol' Almighty and look for the supporters and critics and their reputations. The man is pretty much wrong and stole ideas and called them new.

Alice Shade
June 14th, 2007, 04:47 PM
And first of all, use common sense.

If someone tells that pigs fly - look for some fuck-up first, and think about how it`s possible later. Chances are, that it`s not.

Templar
July 23rd, 2007, 05:07 AM
Hehehe. Black Holes don't trap light, they just don't emit it.

Yeah. Right.

Interesting find but.

Alice Shade
July 23rd, 2007, 10:19 AM
Actually, some sources suggest that Black Holes have powerful enough gravitational pull to distort the paths of photons.

Digs
July 23rd, 2007, 05:16 PM
That was the way I remember learning it, that black holes are actually a sort of red, only we'll never really know 'cause they have such ridiculous gravity that they don't even let photons out.

Jimmy Groove
July 26th, 2007, 02:12 AM
I saw an article just a few days back where they were able to prove the gravitation lens effect of black holes, where photons bend around them. Apparantly that works with everything (photons are bending because of me, too, just so little as to not matter).

But about the perpetual motion thing... in ideal space perpetual motion is ridiculously common. When you get rid of friction for the sake of making simple math, you create all kinds of buggers like that. But generally when people talk about a perpectual motion machine anyway, that they are talking about is a machine that continues to produce free energy, which is ridiculous even in ideal situations.

You're lucky, Alice. Nothing even remotely like "physics" was taught in my schools until I was in 10th grade, and then almost nobody paid attention to it and it was laughably simple anyway.

Kokoba
July 26th, 2007, 05:29 AM
We had "simple machines" repeated every year from grade 4 to 8 (age 9 to 13, for you not-Americans). I didn't take physics until grade 12. And my physics teacher was an honest-to-Google Ned Flanders clone, complete with sweater vests, moustache, weird expressions, and hyper-Christianity (sad, sad day when your physics teacher says that "evolution is 'only' a theory"...well guess what, so is gravity!). So my physics education was crap, despite my own dad being a physics teacher.