Extremes

[Fallen Hero]

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[Nanashi]

Crusades anybody?

[Carnifex]

I voted no because christians are not as extreme when it comes to martyrdom. I mean fighting someone who is so willing to die scares the fuck outta me.

[SAVAGE]

Let us first examine what the standard definition of extremism is:

a tendency or disposition to go to extremes or an instance of going to extremes, esp. in political matters: leftist extremism; the extremism of the Nazis.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=extremism&x=61&y=26

We then need to examine what an extremist is:


One who advocates or resorts to measures beyond the norm, especially in politics.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=extremism&x=61&y=26

So if that is the acceptable definition, we shall attach it to religios doctrine we shall proceed using it.

Extremism in a religious sense is not simply blowing people up, to me extremism can also affect a society interms of growth and development, science etc.

Let us examine the non violent methods of extremism. Let us look at stem cell research.....something that has the potential to cure millions, nay billions of people of all types of diseases, yet the church is against it. We have evidence, scientific proofs that stem cells could benefit humaity immensly. Yet the words of a unproven deity has more control over the world (before you christians get all happy...no it is not a proof of doG).

So in essence that sort of extremism will be responsible for all the deaths that could be saved by allowing stem cells to be researched.

The we have the Fred Phelps and Ann "THE MAN" Coulture, that use religion to spread hate and discord amongst the populace, dividing not only a nation but those amongst the same religion. That is dangerous and history has proven that wars were started for less then that.

Then you have the violent extremists, the Abortionist killers, the suicide bombers, Gdubya, how they justify murder is beyond me, but yet it is the core religious belief that causes these people to act in so uncivil a manner.

So extremism of any kind mixed with any religion is dangerous to varying degrees depending on how they apply themselves.

It is dangerous to us as individuals (violent extremists), it ios dangerous to us as nations (look at the state afghanistan was in, and many other Islamic nations), dangerous for us as a race (stopping science and potential things that will improve quality of life), and dangerous to our saturday morning peace and quiet (Jehovahs witness and the mormons).

Thats my little piece feel free to pick it apart.

[Nanashi]

Very well put, I didn't think about it in terms of limiting knowledge and such.

Much worse than blowing people up, I'd say.

[SAVAGE]

Very well put, I didn't think about it in terms of limiting knowledge and such.

Much worse than blowing people up, I'd say.

Nothing exists in a vaccum, evrything we do sets off a sort of Domino effect, sort of like the Chaos Theory

The flapping of a single butterfly's wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, what the atmosphere actually does diverges from what it would have done. So, in a month's time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn't happen. Or maybe one that wasn't going to happen, does. (Ian Stewart, Does God Play Dice? The Mathematics of Chaos, pg. 141)

http://www.imho.com/grae/chaos/chaos.html

So if we take it that this is true, it shows how every thing we do affects people and others and life as we know it on various levels.

For example the life expectancy of Cows is higher in india then anywhere in the world (Hindus venerate the sacred cow).

Every thing affects us not sipmly in a single way, but in many ways others ideas, politics and religious intolerance bombards us with the things that we dont really think about, but popular images on the newsa dn such make us believe extremism is only about flying planes into buildings, yet the extremists wage war with us daily by trying to impose a rigid belief system on our future, one that is not based on reason evidence or logic.

Wow...that almost sounded intelligent, wait let me dumb back down.

FUCK YOU FRIEDASS!

ahhhh...now I feel better.

[jimmybobjoeco.giveitago]

well its only worse because christian exremists tend to live in western more modernised civilisation. bigger targets to hit stuff. the ku klux klan are christian extremisits, islam is much more peaceful than christianity. terrorism... jesus was a terrorist. enemy of the state etc. the modern terrorists could kill a whole crapload of people whenever they felt the need but they hardly ever do

[Nameless]

Extremist Christians are just as bad as any other religious extremist. They're delusioned brainwashed dicks determined to brainwash others, or worse, kill them because they don't believe.

Thought for today: Relgion has started more wars than it has stopped or prevented.

[SAVAGE]

Extremist Christians are just as bad as any other religious extremist. They're delusioned brainwashed dicks determined to brainwash others, or worse, kill them because they don't believe.

Thought for today: Relgion has started more wars than it has stopped or prevented.

I wouldnt say religion started it, but it most certainly has been the reason.

[disciple]

Extremist Christians are just as bad as any other religious extremist. They're delusioned brainwashed dicks determined to brainwash others, or worse, kill them because they don't believe.

Thought for today: Relgion has started more wars than it has stopped or prevented.

I wouldnt say religion started it, but it most certainly has been the reason.

Historically speaking there are not many wars that have been started without a religious excuse. Political justifications are probably second, and most politicians have religious biases that motivate them. Most wars are really just grabs for riches (e.g. Iraq) that are justified... I could go on and on and on and... you get the point.
If it was not for the christian religion; the Spanish inquisition and the control of the sciences (witchcraft) by religions, it is estimated (sorry I cant remember where I saw this one, hence, no link) that humanity would have landed on the moon some Two Hundred years earlier than we actually did.
Extremism is a multifaceted beast that, like a blood sucking parasite, lodges itself in the bowels of every blood sucking religion (except ours).
Imagine the headlines 'In breaking news the church of Krishna was destroyed by a militant group of Google extremists....the attack was launched via the Internet...these IP masked terrorists...struck at astounding speed...killing all in saffron robes...spokesman for the Church of Google Mr MX disavowed all knowledge....'

[Fallen Hero]

Extremist Christians are just as bad as any other religious extremist. They're delusioned brainwashed dicks determined to brainwash others, or worse, kill them because they don't believe.

Thought for today: Relgion has started more wars than it has stopped or prevented.

I wouldnt say religion started it, but it most certainly has been the reason.

Historically speaking there are not many wars that have been started without a religious excuse. Political justifications are probably second, and most politicians have religious biases that motivate them. Most wars are really just grabs for riches (e.g. Iraq) that are justified... I could go on and on and on and... you get the point.
If it was not for the christian religion; the Spanish inquisition and the control of the sciences (witchcraft) by religions, it is estimated (sorry I cant remember where I saw this one, hence, no link) that humanity would have landed on the moon some Two Hundred years earlier than we actually did.
Extremism is a multifaceted beast that, like a blood sucking parasite, lodges itself in the bowels of every blood sucking religion (except ours).
Imagine the headlines 'In breaking news the church of Krishna was destroyed by a militant group of Google extremists....the attack was launched via the Internet...these IP masked terrorists...struck at astounding speed...killing all in saffron robes...spokesman for the Church of Google Mr MX disavowed all knowledge....'

If we can do anything with this site, we can push people towards moderated views. I think that that is the power that we have in this site. Now we just need to find a way to make people who do not want to listen listen, then, we can actually help the world.

Also, religion is often used as a deciding factor in politics. The US campaign ads involved both party leaders stating that they are and always were, strong christians, and blah blah blah. Frankly, no-one should know your religion in order to vote. You are voted for what you promise to do for the country, not what religion you will support the most.

[Nanashi]

I belive Bush has also claimed that his war is a mission from God.

~ http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

(but to put things in perspective...) http://www.economist.com/world/na/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3502861

[Googles Bitch]

I was going to say no, considering all of the Moslem Extremists you see on the News on a daily basis. Then I read Savages brilliant post, thought some more and decided that the Christians - especially the far-right groups, are either equally or even more dangerous than the Moslems. Apart from the historical perspective, Christians have a hand in limiting the world in so many other ways. When Bush claims that he's on a "Mission from God" (Cheers Nanashi) he seems to be listening to those annoying voices in his head.There's a cure for that, it's called a frontal-lobotomy. Wait..too late!

[disciple]

I voted in the affirmative in this pool a little while ago (yes too lazy to check when). Thinking further on this poll I think it omits the real question 'Is Christian Extremism More Dangerous than All the Rest?'
After seeing the video of the christian camp I started to think further on the subject of extremists and I reckon that it would a photo finish.
What swayed me in the end was the fact that we do not seem to have had any other flamers in the church apart from christ ians. Perhaps it is a cultural thing, or is it, that the others have a tolerant sense of humour?

[Fallen Hero]

I voted in the affirmative in this pool a little while ago (yes too lazy to check when). Thinking further on this poll I think it omits the real question 'Is Christian Extremism More Dangerous than All the Rest?'
After seeing the video of the christian camp I started to think further on the subject of extremists and I reckon that it would a photo finish.
What swayed me in the end was the fact that we do not seem to have had any other flamers in the church apart from christ ians. Perhaps it is a cultural thing, or is it, that the others have a tolerant sense of humour?

No, I think it is more that the rest just do not look at us.