What say you?

[Arbiter419]

Yeah, long time no post. Been pretty busy of the late.

But today I present you with this. (They're from my school...conservative republican types)

http://i30.tinypic.com/2qlbfid.jpg

What do you have to say about that?

"Heading towards communism"

I wasn't aware that communism and democratic-republic were interchangeable terms.

[OfficerFriendly]

they should be grateful threy are safe for theres a man out there shooting wheelchair abortion protesters and other republicans

[rmw]

"Heading towards communism"

I wasn't aware that communism and democratic-republic were interchangeable terms.

Yes, they are quite interchangeable. You didn't know Obama was a communist jihadist bent on the destruction of the very foundations of the United States. He also hates your grandma, as evidenced by the death panels Sarah Palin and Charles Grassley were talking about. [/sarcasm]

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yeah, long time no post. Been pretty busy of the late.

But today I present you with this. (They're from my school...conservative republican types)

http://i30.tinypic.com/2qlbfid.jpg

What do you have to say about that?

"Heading towards communism"

I wasn't aware that communism and democratic-republic were interchangeable terms.

What do I have to say? I bet that boy wishes he was able to enjoy his weekend, instead of being dragged out to be a laughingstock by his crazy, bitter mother.

[Arbiter419]

What do I have to say? I bet that boy wishes he was able to enjoy his weekend, instead of being dragged out to be a laughingstock by his crazy, bitter mother.

Heh, actually he's very willing, and that's his friend he's standing with.

No one thinks for themselves these days...just typical ill-informed Americans.

[tagnostic]

I want to
protest
against
protester's



pay attention to my lack of a sign

[Will.]

FRA does that count as republican? XD

[tagnostic]

republicans are left wingers
I'm a Tagist
I run shtuff
but nobody
can prove it.

[Will.]

Free Reigning Adult?
Finnish Republic Army?
Faster Rates Available?
Fixed Rate Accounting?
First Red 'A'?

[tagnostic]

Finding Republican's Accountable?

[Will.]

Finding Republican's Accountable?
I was counting on this.

[Loki]

Oh c'mon, mate. No liberal would do that to their kid!

[Arbiter419]

Heh,

On a relevant sidenote, I had to get a permission slip signed to watch President Obama's speech that he made on September 8th. Pretty fucking ridiculous if you ask me.


How dare our own president encourage us to work hard and study in school?!

[tagnostic]

you have to work hard
to pay for his programs

[huntedbyninjas]

I dont know about anyone else, but i really like Obama. Hes gots a goggies, he killer when it comes to flies, and he openly calls Kanye West a jackass. *shrugs*

haha But seriously. Obama seems((thus far)) as a sincere guy. I gots no beef with him.

[tagnostic]

my beef is the deficit
he's tripled in 8 mos
what GW did in *yrs

[fomenter]

my problem is he will do as his predecessors and his predecessors predecessors and their predecessors before them have all done,
and move the country one or two steps further in a direction we don't want,
and then in 4 or 8 years we will be expected to believe that the opposition stands for change and won't continue doing the exact same thing...

[tagnostic]

yep,
they all make the same noises
to get elected
then they make the same different noises
about why its necessary to not fulfill promises

[Will.]

Although a picture of Obama either as a faction member of Alqueda or dressed as 50 cent. Will arise shortly, I bet. Tabloid media has nothing better to do.

[tagnostic]

I'd prefer a picture of Obama retired

[Loki]

Obama looks ok on the telly - that's about all I know :D

Apart from this - Why the HELL are some of you fighting against State health care?

You don't need to follow our system. Look at the best ones and makes yours better.
You do that very well :D

Seriously - so what if you pay a few dollars a year for the odd lazy twat? And if you put in more than you take out...

...count yourself lucky! I'm very happy to have paid more in than I've cost - I'd like to carry on in that way :D

I never worry if I'll be treated - I take that as a basic right.

[tagnostic]

he couldn't pass the turing
test with a teleprompter
and he's costing me money

did I mention he's crooked?
not that I mind, I just prefer
politicians smart enough to
get away with it
he's also a socialist
I'm kind of big on everyone
paying their own way

[fomenter]

the problem with health care is big pharma/big insurance are both far from perfect (inspite of all the good they do ) big goverment has a near perfect batting record for being way over cost and a bureaucratic nightmare, what they seem to be proposing is a Frankenstein sewn together system that includes the worst aspects of all three in adition to some of there good points .. its hard to imagine adding a known failure (gov) to two partial failures will equal something better..

[tagnostic]

concur
well said

i have yet to see
any gov't
at any time
Lower Costs
in any venture

[fomenter]

they can hide the cost by using the word FREE attaching it to HEALTHCARE and then using your tax dollar, that way when you spend more you think its FREE and never know the difference because you no longer see the bill (government transparency is a convenient lie)

[Loki]

We like it :D
Sure, it's not perfect. But I can almost guarantee that anyone will be treated, in any A&E dept in the UK - without you handing over the Credit Card.

We like it that way.

[fomenter]

i tend to think the "Americans going w/o care" is over dramatized a bit to sell the government take over, i wouldn't mind seeing the holes in our system fixed i just am a cynic when it comes to giving gov power or trusting them to do a good job.

[Loki]

Understood - but the gang has to stick together sometime. Health is the one I'd go with.
Honestly, the idea that someone can't get medical treatment 'cos they have no money... Fuck that!

[tagnostic]

no one here
lacks treatment
for lack of money
anyone, legal, illegal
insured or uninsured
is by law required to
be given treatment by
anyone or any institution
cabable of rendering aid

[fomenter]

most emergency rooms take every one (the ones that don't will treat you till you can be moved to one that does), and there are clinics and doctors that take payments, (i payed 5$ a month to a credit agency for a while ) and state run assistance programs (payed a good chunk of the cost of a surgery i had once) the only person that wouldn't get needed medical care here is somebody to stupid to try, there may be exceptions to the rule and i know people who put stuff off till later (not always the healthy choice) but being flat out refused care or completely unable to get it..... i cant believe it happens here any more than it does in England

[Loki]

If that's the case, then what's the problem?
So long as people are treated according to need as opposed to ability to pay, then I don't care who runs it.

I understand you not being keen on the government running it - but, at least, you vote for them. The way it's run in the US - you have no say. Apart from as a shareholder, and let's face it, what say is that?

As far as I know, btw. I'm not that big on US politics :D

[tagnostic]

thats alright
I'm not real big
on US politicians

[Loki]

thats alright
I'm not real big
on US politicians


Who could be? They're nothing but lawyers with an agenda :icon_eek:

[tagnostic]

Who could be? They're nothing but lawyers with an agenda :icon_eek:

QFT

lawyers
should be
outlawed

politicians
should be
shot

neither should be allowed to breed

[fomenter]

If that's the case, then what's the problem?
So long as people are treated according to need as opposed to ability to pay, then I don't care who runs it.

I understand you not being keen on the government running it - but, at least, you vote for them. The way it's run in the US - you have no say. Apart from as a shareholder, and let's face it, what say is that?

As far as I know, btw. I'm not that big on US politics :D

the problem tends to come up with preventative medicine and with catching things early i think (i am not an expert) w/o insurance people tend to wait till they have to see a doctor, also with prescriptions the cost of unsubsidized pills is high, and while its not impossible to get help with the cost its tougher than getting assistance with other medical needs, the other side is that the cost helps pays for the research that creates the new pills..

its a complex problem there are holes in the American system that need fixing, and there are benefits to it (innovation /research) that need to be kept, i don't have a answer really, just an instinct that says government bureaucracy isn't the best way

[sailor]

the problem tends to come up with preventative medicine and with catching things early i think (i am not an expert) w/o insurance people tend to wait till they have to see a doctor, also with prescriptions the cost of unsubsidized pills is high, and while its not impossible to get help with the cost its tougher than getting assistance with other medical needs, the other side is that the cost helps pays for the research that creates the new pills..

its a complex problem there are holes in the American system that need fixing, and there are benefits to it (innovation /research) that need to be kept, i don't have a answer really, just an instinct that says government bureaucracy isn't the best way

argh. i have to get medical insurance very soon. my surgery requires outpatient clinic & insurance to help facilitate the payment. mom's bleak outlook suggests that if i claim to have anything wrong with me, my insurance won't pay for it. hm, how to get around this would be to lie to the insurance company and get a new exam fresh as if i hadn't had work done yet with a new doctor on the insurance plan. also, i looked up some plans online, any suggestions? i found some short term plans for under a 100 per month, but my deductible would still be around 1,000, then they pay for half when the 1,000 is paid.

am i right about this, anyone know about it? same with the dental. i have to buy an individual plan, because i am self employed, and figure out which companies to go with. i was at one time going to go for alternative health insurance for my chiro/accu/mass. but i decided to forgo it and do something called "self insure" which just means, pay it myself. but that means in case of an accident, i have no back up plan, really...there is also the question of comprehensive (which includes meds, followups, etc.) or basic. Long term or short term (6 months) and maybe student discount....anyhow, help me out if you can, man! i want to sign up this week, so i can get my breast lump removed in Oct. or Nov. of course, my accupuncture and such will help, but there's now way i'm fucking burning it out with like herbs on a flannel...that just seems a bit much. then you have the burn marks, plus all that ash.

[rmw]

argh. i have to get medical insurance very soon. my surgery requires outpatient clinic & insurance to help facilitate the payment. mom's bleak outlook suggests that if i claim to have anything wrong with me, my insurance won't pay for it. hm, how to get around this would be to lie to the insurance company and get a new exam fresh as if i hadn't had work done yet with a new doctor on the insurance plan. also, i looked up some plans online, any suggestions? i found some short term plans for under a 100 per month, but my deductible would still be around 1,000, then they pay for half when the 1,000 is paid.

am i right about this, anyone know about it? same with the dental. i have to buy an individual plan, because i am self employed, and figure out which companies to go with. i was at one time going to go for alternative health insurance for my chiro/accu/mass. but i decided to forgo it and do something called "self insure" which just means, pay it myself. but that means in case of an accident, i have no back up plan, really...there is also the question of comprehensive (which includes meds, followups, etc.) or basic. Long term or short term (6 months) and maybe student discount....anyhow, help me out if you can, man! i want to sign up this week, so i can get my breast lump removed in Oct. or Nov. of course, my accupuncture and such will help, but there's now way i'm fucking burning it out with like herbs on a flannel...that just seems a bit much. then you have the burn marks, plus all that ash.

Megs, you could very well run up against the problem of a company insuring you when you have what they might consider a pre-existing condition. If an insurance company says they will deny you coverage on that basis, then lying about it may be the only option. A $1000 deductible is pretty common, though definitely steep. For dental and vision insurance, I'd say if you're just going in for the regular check-ups/exams, then you might want to consider forgoing those. It's cheaper just to pay the dr's fees if you're only going a few times a year. If you need dental work done, or wear glasses, then see what kind of coverage is offered. Check out companies like Humana or Aetna--I went w/ Humana for awhile and they were pretty good. (Although I don't know if they offer coverage in CA.)

[rmw]

Yeah, double post, but I realize I'm up against some pretty short attention spans here. :icon_lol:

To the more general topic, I agree w/ fom on this one. I think we have the ability to reform health care, but at this point, I don't think Congress or the Obama administration is going about it in the right way. When you look at the fact that Medicare/Medicaid is losing money, it doesn't exactly give one a warm fuzzy feeling that the government can expand on such programs. I think if there was a concerted effort to reform Medicare/Medicaid and ensure that it breaks even, I would have more faith in an expanded government-run health care program. Unfortunately, such reform could very well mean making some hard decisions, which as far as I can tell, nobody on either side of the aisle is willing to do.

[kittehkaboodle]

Megs, you could very well run up against the problem of a company insuring you when you have what they might consider a pre-existing condition. If an insurance company says they will deny you coverage on that basis, then lying about it may be the only option. A $1000 deductible is pretty common, though definitely steep. For dental and vision insurance, I'd say if you're just going in for the regular check-ups/exams, then you might want to consider forgoing those. It's cheaper just to pay the dr's fees if you're only going a few times a year. If you need dental work done, or wear glasses, then see what kind of coverage is offered. Check out companies like Humana or Aetna--I went w/ Humana for awhile and they were pretty good. (Although I don't know if they offer coverage in CA.)

Thanks! (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2252/3528414452_d17ce82915.jpg)

[tagnostic]

How's that
Hope & Change
working for you now?

[rmw]

How's that
Hope & Change
working for you now?

The deductible was too high.

[tagnostic]

rofl
I'm running out of hope
and my change
is being spent
on healthcare

[Kiz Redweek]

Yeah, long time no post. Been pretty busy of the late.

But today I present you with this. (They're from my school...conservative republican types)

http://i30.tinypic.com/2qlbfid.jpg

What do you have to say about that?

"Heading towards communism"

I wasn't aware that communism and democratic-republic were interchangeable terms.

I really don't like the republicans, especially the crazy ones who think you should die if you're gay.

I actually know a few people who wear the confederate flag on their shirts, not personally, but damn. The first impression they make is 'Hey, I'm a racist bastard! Wanna get to know me?'

It really does make me sick.

[tagnostic]

the Battle Flag of the Republic
had nothing to do with slavery
It was about States Rights
Lincolin only freed the slaves in the south
it had no bearing on Northern Slaves
and he didn't do it out of high minded ideals
but to try generate a rebellion in the south
at the time the South was winning
it was strategy Not Ideology
Read the Emancipation Proclamation
it only address Slavery in Southern States
Not in the west and not in the North
Slavery was a side issue

[OfficerFriendly]

the Battle Flag of the Republic
had nothing to do with slavery
It was about States Rights
Lincolin only freed the slaves in the south
it had no bearing on Northern Slaves
and he didn't do it out of high minded ideals
but to try generate a rebellion in the south
at the time the South was winning
it was strategy Not Ideology
Read the Emancipation Proclamation
it only address Slavery in Southern States
Not in the west and not in the North
Slavery was a side issue

You are right! Moreover, that wasn't taught in my schools when i was growing up. Pretty sure it was left out.

http://www.newspapertree.com/system/news_article/image1/4103/494px-Stephens-reading-proclamation-1863.jpg

[fomenter]

historical meaning of the flag and practical meaning are two different things, while tag is right, there are enough racist red necks and white supremacists using the flag to signify racist meaning that it has that meaning to many... so the most accurate definition of what the flag means would be "it depends on who you are asking" .... to a racist or a black man it may mean one thing, to a educated southerner or political historian another...

[tagnostic]

States Rights are alot more important than a lot of people are led to believe.
The Federal Government is bloated and out of touch with both Reality and
the Constitution. States need to stand up and tell the Feds to mind their own
damn business. Unfunded mandates, Highway dollars for the carrot & stick.
The so called Spending Package is used to illegally control states. The Feds
Have no business telling border states how to handle illegal immigration. The
Feds have no business telling us how to handle our Homeless, and Needy.
They Don't need to be in our Educational system, They've been exceeding
their Constitutional Authority For a long time and its getting worse, the
encroachment is such that one day we'll wake up to find Our Republic is gone
and and Oligarchy of professional politicians with only their personal interests
and profits are what matters. No one will understand how it happened, all those
little encroachments, for Our Own Good, nibbling away at our Freedom until
its gone and were all little cookie cutter Politically Correct Drones that sacrifice
our Personal Freedoms & Rights for the "majority", screw the majority, I want
freedom and rights for me, Big Brother can't give you rights or freedom, Laws
and Government only have the power to restrict, not empower. Therefore the
less Government the more Freedom, A follows B. If Government is by nature
restrictive, more Gov't = More Restriction. Government has never inspired anyone
to invent, be creative, start a business or make a fortune. It can't and never will
be anything but a giant "Can't" machine. True Individual Freedom is what leads
to all great discoveries and art, only the Freedom to make mistakes on your own
allows you to learn and discover. Anything for "your own good" is a fundamental
right to make your own decisions, regardless of how stupid it is, being taken away.
[/soapbox]

[fomenter]

[/soapbox] :soapbox: we have a smiley for that

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
I'm gonna
have to
check out
all the new
ones :icon_mrgreen:

[tagnostic]

I really don't like the republicans, especially the crazy ones who think you should die if you're gay.

It really does make me sick.

You Might want to read this also
Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500)

This link is to the circumstances around the Emancipation Proclamation (http://www.americancivilwar.com/tl/tl1863.html)
and to the Document itself

[Kiz Redweek]

You Might want to read this also
Dr. Martin Luther King was a Republican (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500)

This link is to the circumstances around the Emancipation Proclamation (http://www.americancivilwar.com/tl/tl1863.html)
and to the Document itself

I'll try when I can, dunno if I can now though.

>.>

[Kiz Redweek]

Republicans back in the D.A.Y. were better though, they were more democrats than the republicans they are now.

[Al Farabi]

Republicans back in the D.A.Y. were better though, they were more democrats than the republicans they are now.

You may also consider the possibility that the opinion you seem to apply to all modern republicans is based on a stereotype that may not actually be true.

You'd be surprised how much people of your opposed party have the same goals as you. You shouldn't judge the quality of the entire group based on the minor differences in your ideology...that's pretty closed minded.

[tagnostic]

Al Farabi,

where you been??
missed our favorite Theist
glad to see you back

tag

[Al Farabi]

I was not really on the internet much over summer, and school is just now getting settled in enough that I have some time for this. In short I guess I've been busy haha

[tagnostic]

One of these days
I'm going to get a life,
well, maybe not

[rmw]

You may also consider the possibility that the opinion you seem to apply to all modern republicans is based on a stereotype that may not actually be true.

You'd be surprised how much people of your opposed party have the same goals as you. You shouldn't judge the quality of the entire group based on the minor differences in your ideology...that's pretty closed minded.

True--there are differences within the conservative ranks--for example, you could consider libertarians to be conservative, in that there is a general dislike for large government. But, you also have the social conservatives, who many times would like to see the government regulate matters that they believe are socially harmful (i.e. abortion or gay marriage).

[tagnostic]

I concur
I'm Libertarian, because I Don't want ANY social legistlation
You can't be forced to do the right thing, you do it because its right
Not because some silverspoon perv in Washington says you have too.
The government governs best, who governs least.
PC is more divisive than letting people work it out with open communication.
All social legislation does is cause a rift, it turns an Us into Us against them
because we might hurt their widdle feewings, YACCKKK

[Kiz Redweek]

You may also consider the possibility that the opinion you seem to apply to all modern republicans is based on a stereotype that may not actually be true.

You'd be surprised how much people of your opposed party have the same goals as you. You shouldn't judge the quality of the entire group based on the minor differences in your ideology...that's pretty closed minded.

I know plenty of republicans who share my same goals, some of my best friends.

I only judge the jerks.

They just happen to be republicans. I'm not close minded at all.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

the Battle Flag of the Republic
had nothing to do with slavery
It was about States Rights
Lincolin only freed the slaves in the south
it had no bearing on Northern Slaves
and he didn't do it out of high minded ideals
but to try generate a rebellion in the south
at the time the South was winning
it was strategy Not Ideology
Read the Emancipation Proclamation
it only address Slavery in Southern States
Not in the west and not in the North
Slavery was a side issue

Crap. It was about the states' rights to allow slavery.

How many people were legally enslaved in the North?

[tagnostic]

the war started in 1861
the emancipation proclamation was 1863
if it was about slavery
they would have been emancipated
at the start if not before the war
citations (http://www.americancivilwar.com/tl/tl1863.html)
no slaves were actually freed
unless they were owned by persons involved in the rebellion
if you continue reading the article
it also mentions northerners taking escaped slaves
as prizes of war
that site has complete bibliography and citations

[Will.]

And then the battle of the Riel Rebellion, durring which Madison(who scarily enough resembles a canadian primeminister), attempted a a Saiboge on Gabrielle Dumont, and the whitehouse was burnt down. :D .

[sailor]

Crap. It was about the states' rights to allow slavery.

How many people were legally enslaved in the North?

Speaking of slaves how many do you think I should get from the corner depot over here to he'p me install some kind of fricking salt conversion type thingo gig fer mines swim pool so's chlorines not get hair eyes murky er purplish.

Maybe trades for sumpthing steads. Slaves not cheap.

[Kiz Redweek]

XD you should get all of them.

And then when you're done, free them all!

:D

[sailor]

How will I know when I'm done? Will there be a bell?

Did you make an intro thread with your website
so we can get to know you better?

[Kiz Redweek]

A bell, yes. Seems a very good idea.

On this website? It's not a very descriptive thread, never really been good at those types of things, I don't like talking about myself much.

[Loki]

A bell, yes. Seems a very good idea.

On this website? It's not a very descriptive thread, never really been good at those types of things, I don't like talking about myself much.

Hmmmm, I smell Meghan spores :D

[sailor]

Hmmmm, I smell Meghan spores :D

get your filthy paws off my mushroom head drawers.

yeah, that's me.

[Loki]

get your filthy paws off my mushroom head drawers.

yeah, that's me.


Was it? No freaking way! :icon_lol:

[sailor]

Was it? No freaking way! :icon_lol:

i'm flying away! i'm decomposing.

[Loki]

i'm flying away! i'm decomposing.

Stop smoking salvia then.:danger:

[sailor]

someone was talking about that at a party, i remember, a while back.

i know nothing about it, seriously.

[Loki]

someone was talking about that at a party, i remember, a while back.

i know nothing about it, seriously.

I do - it's interesting in an insane way.:icon_cool:

[sailor]

I do - it's interesting in an insane way.:icon_cool:

I wish I could still do a bunch of drugs sometimes, but I would get in big trouble with the big Google.

For Sure. I can't drink even a few bottles of cider at a time, because alcoholism is something that is hard to stop, once you start or restart drinking.

[Kiz Redweek]

Hmmmm, I smell Meghan spores :D

Meghan? I know a Meghan.

>.>

It's spelled that way, too. XD

[Will.]

Start smoking more salvia then.:danger:

This is more like it.

and the topic of alcoholism.
I've been sober and potless for... When did I post the idea thread? Two days before that.

Powertools and out of focused minds don't mix.

[tagnostic]

i'd ftp you some,
but all my client software
works with packets
not
baggies
or
40's

[Al Farabi]

I do - it's interesting in an insane way.:icon_cool:
emphasis added by me

[tagnostic]

>= f(drama)
=< f(morbidly interesting)

[Loki]

emphasis added by me

hahahaha, that's the problem. You never know where the emphasis will be.
One time you're eating corn...the next time, the corn's eating you :icon_eek:

Still, it's educational. :fear:

[tagnostic]

gives a whole new meaning
to ignorance is bliss

[Loki]

Ignorance is never bliss...

What the fuck am I talking about? Of course it is!

Still, Sally is DMT with a tail. Ever had bad dreams? That's DMT (dimethyl tryptamine) Salvia has a DMT group stuck on it.
Some dreams are good, some are bad...

...and some of them; you wake up in your study, covered in mud with the patio door open.

And it's still not put me off!

[tagnostic]

when you can't
tell the difference
the point is moot
(do they sell moot?)

[Loki]

moot? I think that's $65 an ounce.

EDIT: It's shit. I bought some moot from my local headshop - nada!

[tagnostic]

What are you in for?

Dealing Moot.

That shits dangerous.

No, man, mine never has a point.

Dude, Pointless Moot?

Yeah, all the high, none of the angst.

You outta be locked up.

Dude, we are.

[Loki]

Cake is worse!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbq3kc29Tmg

[Wally Saves]

States Rights are alot more important than a lot of people are led to believe.
The Federal Government is bloated and out of touch with both Reality and
the Constitution. States need to stand up and tell the Feds to mind their own
damn business. Unfunded mandates, Highway dollars for the carrot & stick.
The so called Spending Package is used to illegally control states. The Feds
Have no business telling border states how to handle illegal immigration. The
Feds have no business telling us how to handle our Homeless, and Needy.
They Don't need to be in our Educational system, They've been exceeding
their Constitutional Authority For a long time and its getting worse, the
encroachment is such that one day we'll wake up to find Our Republic is gone
and and Oligarchy of professional politicians with only their personal interests
and profits are what matters. No one will understand how it happened, all those
little encroachments, for Our Own Good, nibbling away at our Freedom until
its gone and were all little cookie cutter Politically Correct Drones that sacrifice
our Personal Freedoms & Rights for the "majority", screw the majority, I want
freedom and rights for me, Big Brother can't give you rights or freedom, Laws
and Government only have the power to restrict, not empower. Therefore the
less Government the more Freedom, A follows B. If Government is by nature
restrictive, more Gov't = More Restriction. Government has never inspired anyone
to invent, be creative, start a business or make a fortune. It can't and never will
be anything but a giant "Can't" machine. True Individual Freedom is what leads
to all great discoveries and art, only the Freedom to make mistakes on your own
allows you to learn and discover. Anything for "your own good" is a fundamental
right to make your own decisions, regardless of how stupid it is, being taken away.
[/soapbox]

Well said sir.

[Al Farabi]

Law only encroaches upon freedom such that it is inconsistent with Morality. I would not, for example, consider laws prohibiting rape to be encroaching upon my freedom.

[Kiz Redweek]

I should hope so.

o...........o

It would sure as hell scare me shitless if the thought the opposite.

o...........o

[tagnostic]

Law only encroaches upon freedom such that it is inconsistent with Morality. I would not, for example, consider laws prohibiting rape to be encroaching upon my freedom.

but you don't need a law to know its wrong
or to prevent you from doing it
and the laws obviously don't work
or the prisons wouldn't be full

[Kiz Redweek]

Yah....

Stupid rapists. >.<

[Perna de Pau]

but you don't need a law to know its wrong
or to prevent you from doing it
and the laws obviously don't work
or the prisons wouldn't be full

You do not need a law to know what is wrong;
Some people however need laws to keep them from doing wrong and some other do what is wrong in spite of such laws.

[Kiz Redweek]

Like amoral people. :D

[tagnostic]

morals are when you decide to do the right thing,
laws are when other people decide for you
regardless of whether they decide
to obey those laws

[Kiz Redweek]

Well, amoral people don't know what's wrong or right. Noone would know what they would decide to do because they wouldn't know that not following laws would be well...against the law.

And a bad thing to do.