political test

[tagnostic]

we've done this before but, its still fun,
the test (http://www.politicalcompass.org/test)

my results
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_v63t5wNKSos/Su4nInxgNtI/AAAAAAAAAok/68r7p3xSCik/pcgraphpng.php.png

[Al Farabi]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.50&soc=-5.38

huh!

[tagnostic]

hehehe

not sure how a leftist libertarian works

an collective of one?

[Will.]

Not posting mine. :icon_redface:

[tagnostic]

wow,
what could possibly make Will blush?
:shrug:

[Will.]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b32/Cadaver-Assailant-Of-Life/pcgraphpng.png

I mimic Gandhi ;-;

[tagnostic]

stay away from hindu's
that want to pay their
respects
none of the Ghandi's
have much luck with that..

[TheOG]

Economic Left/Right: -1.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.05

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.75&soc=-2.05

[Tsar Phalanxia]

*Points to sig*

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
thats why you want to take over japan,
it the only thing Left of China

[OfficerFriendly]

Looks to me that I'm closer to the bullseye. You folks are too unstable:D

http://img2.pict.com/75/d2/b8/1964615/0/midd.png

[Wally Saves]

http://www.politicalcompass.org/facebook/pcgraphpng.php?ec=-1.75&soc=-1.79
Left-libertarianism (sometimes synonymous with left-wing libertarianism and libertarian socialism) is a term that has been used to describe several different libertarian political movements and theorists.
Left-libertarianism, as defended by contemporary theorists such as Peter Vallentyne, Hillel Steiner, and Michael Otsuka, is a doctrine that has a strong commitment to personal liberty and has an egalitarian view concerning natural resources, believing that it is illegitimate for anyone to claim private ownership of resources to the detriment of others.Some left-libertarians of this type support some form of income redistribution on the grounds of a claim by each individual to be entitled to an equal share of natural resources. Social anarchists, including Murray Bookchin, anarcho-communists such as Peter Kropotkin and anarcho-collectivists such as Mikhail Bakunin, are sometimes called left-libertarian. Noam Chomsky also refers to himself as a left libertarian. The term is sometimes used synonymously with libertarian socialism or used in self-description by geoists who support individuals paying rent to the community for the use of land. Left libertarian parties, such as Green, share with "traditional socialism a distrust of the market, of private investment, and of the achievement ethic, and a commitment to expansion of the welfare state."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism

[tagnostic]

damn, I'm surrounded by commies, I'm calling nixon, we need a committee to look into this:icon_eek:

where are the damned anarchists when you need them?

[Al Farabi]

damn, I'm surrounded by commies, I'm calling nixon, we need a committee to look into this:icon_eek:

where are the damned anarchists when you need them?

its not that they aren't around, they just can't seem to get organized

[tagnostic]

rofl
I guess organized anarchy
is a bit much to ask for:icon_redface:

[Tsar Phalanxia]

The only anarchist I've ever met in person was proud that his ancestors fought Zulus whilst building the Britishn Empire.

I don't think he understood what anarchism means.

[Cheshire]

I wish they made political tests for me. They don't. When it comes to economics, I need a third dimension. I don't understand why people like socialism, nor do I understand why people like capitalism. They are both highly restricting and oppressive. That's why I default to a true free trade system: a world where everything is free.

Before I hear another remark about how people will just take everything, and how no one will do any work, let me explain: We currently have the technology to have 100% mechanization of factories. The reason why we don't is because there would be no jobs for people to make money. If there were no jobs to make money, why not scrap money and make everything free? Most common response is: No one would work. Don't you love circular logic?

As for the social scale, I'm the equivalent of an anarchist. My argument for that is a little more complex and relies on a trap of ethos.

[tagnostic]

an interesting thought,
i'm pretty anarchist
but will settle for a
democratic federal republic
i'm really big on free market
but what do you consider free market?
no controls? or limited govt? who decides?

i personally don't believe anyone has the right to tell me what to do,
laws are only for the lawmakers, everyone picks and chooses what
they obey, laws don't change anything, people do what the choose
to do, the difference is most won't admit it and don't want to take
responsibility for thier own actions.

if you speed in a car, you consciously choose to break the law
if you kill you consciously choose to do that
laws are not meant for control because if they could
no one would commit a crime
therefore, the only purpose they serve is to define a punishment
for something in the hope of instilling fear into the gen pop as
opposed to instilling ethics, everybody is going to do what thier
going to do regardless of words on paper..

[Will.]

I've got a filing cabinet for unpaid speeding tickets.. I'm not even sure my driver's is valid. Considering Im the only tow truck for miles they put up with it (still pissed about that)

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
back in the mid 80's
i was the only dispatcher for 50 miles
around a little town in colo that was home
to many prisons, lived on top of the mortuary
and picked up bodies for spare cash

no matter how drunk and pissy i got
(and i'm not always sweet and wonderful)
they had to let me go by 5pm on weeknights
and on fridays i'd get an escort and a cop at
the door to make sure i stayed home

big fun

[tagnostic]

your taking to long will
here ya go (http://sites.google.com/site/wrongpolitics/?pageDeleted=%2Four-directory)

[Will.]

Who shot what with where now?

[tagnostic]

dude,
you were replying to this thread
for 3 hours, got tired of waiting
i had enough time to put up a
web site just to stave off
boredom,
work with me here
:icon_lol:

[Will.]

Dude,
you sat there three hours. Waiting for me, to reply.
:icon_lol:

Now thats service... I need a cold one.

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
i've got one
there harder
to get down here
actually, just keeping
them cold is the bugger

[Will.]

It snowed her last tuesday, trade?

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
anytime
how much
sun and sand
do you want?

fingus will through in
some formerly operative
gecko's
(they don't remain mobile after her attentions)

[Will.]

My grammar is getting worse.

[tagnostic]

when did you
get grammer?
and what are
you planning
to do with it?

[Will.]

Sell it into slaver-Write a book?

[tagnostic]

rofl
is that a
how too?

[Will.]

:icon_lol: More than likely.

[tagnostic]

we're really going
to catch hell for where
this is going:icon_razz:

power to the people

[Will.]

By the Time I go to Hell, I Will. be qualified to fly the train.

[tagnostic]

i'm figuring
the desert
is pretty
good practice

[Will.]

Yes I guess it would be, scenic, nice, spacious and flat. Qualificsations met. But what about the 'mounds' so to speak, I don't stunt drive without some present, in pairs preferred.

[tagnostic]

technically we're in a basin
surrounded by 4 mtn ranges
and theres plenty of ups and
downs in town, but you can
pretty much go in any direction
and find some serious 4wd
places, an hour out is the dunes
nothing but sand for dunebuggies
sandrails and atv's

triple digits all weekend105-110
bring plenty of water, and it doesn't
get hot until august

[Will.]

Theres sup-post to be a dune run invitational, around Arizona, my RC and I got through the invitational, but thats enough fun, now I want serious competition, because, I fly through the hills goin bout 30, or 40....

[tagnostic]

bring it, you can crash on the couch,
there's also firebird raceway
and the drag boats on the lake
and a couple of abandoned
airstrips from the 40's
that its cool to drag on
the drifters do a cell phone meet
send out scouts find someplace empty
everybody gets there, and runs when
sheriff joe shows up

all the fabbers here are my old roomates
in case you need anything (http://www.full-race.com/)

[Will.]

Hrmmm drag? Maybe I'll bring the malibu instead. Just swapped it fer a fressh LT2... :D Aluminum, everything, Dual quad high riser intake, two Eddie's UA, 750cfm carbs, (used), Edlbrock oval filter assembly :p, twin straight pipes... I'm only 5 into er and its only the motor.

[tagnostic]

bring it on
will turbo it
the boys
turbo everything

[Will.]

Thats the stuff dreams are made of.. Hrmmmm....

[tagnostic]

there the ones that built the conti
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_v63t5wNKSos/SutljEhNHxI/AAAAAAAAAnI/4fiXJOWi1pw/s1024/taginconti.jpg

[Will.]

Turning 318 into 340

[Will.]

I'm too busted to type, I need sleep.

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
moron that
later

back on topic

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p182/Brocke1964/Freedom%20Banners/41d43445.jpg

[tagnostic]

OK
new test (http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz)

I got
80/100
Libertarian

[OfficerFriendly]

50/40 centrist

[rzm61]

back on topic

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p182/Brocke1964/Freedom%20Banners/41d43445.jpg

That's awesome.

[Will.]

About that picture, the minute someone tries to tell me what to do they get to meet miss Molly.

[Will.]

Uh oh I broke it. :icon_lol:

[tagnostic]

political
schiszophrenia
will do that :icon_eek:

[Will.]

Centrist espouse a "middle ground" regarding government control of the economy and personal behavior. Depending on the issue, they sometimes favor government intervention and sometimes support individual freedom of choice. Centrists pride themselves on keeping an open mind, tend to oppose "political extremes," and emphasize what they describe as "practical" solutions to problems.

[tagnostic]

my practical solution
is to keep the
government
out of it

[Sporkinator]

Amen! :icon_mrgreen:

[Sister Faith]

I'm almost off the grid I'm so far left liberal (100/50) :icon_eek:

Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free expression, support government action to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles.

[tagnostic]

i think its alot
easier to do
all of that
without
government
a free market
is self policing
and it costs less
than paying elected
officials to tell me what
to do, with my effing money

[Sister Faith]

i think its alot
easier to do
all of that
without
government
a free market
is self policing
and it costs less
than paying elected
officials to tell me what
to do, with my effing money

I agree with you as far as the gov't interfering in ones personal matters,
but...well you know what I'm going to say.

It occurs to me that any system of government (democracy, communism, what-everism) would work if it weren't for human greed and corruption. :(

[tagnostic]

which is precisely
why they are
irrelevant
unnecessary
and more trouble
than they're worth

[Sister Faith]

We need the power of the people back.

Whatever happened to 'for the people, BY the people'? When did representing the people become ruling the people?

How are we ever going to get control of ourselves back. :icon_wut?:

*sigh* On that note, I'm off to try to get some sleep. My head is spinning now. :(

[tagnostic]

later Sis

[OfficerFriendly]

I think we all can agree that we all could use a good government. If indeed it exists

[OfficerFriendly]

Swveden may be the best gov imo

[tagnostic]

good government
is a contradiction
in terms :icon_evil:

[Tsar Phalanxia]

Heh, I've moderated economically, but I've become more socially liberal


Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
its a start
fiscal responsibility
comes first, then
you can afford
social programs

[Tsar Phalanxia]

That's essentially what's happened. I've come round to the idea that instead of Business = Bad, Business = Good, sometimes

[tagnostic]

without business
there's nothing
and nobody to tax
that means you
can't afford any
social programs
and everyone
is a gov't slave

the problem is governments
have never created anything
tangible other than paperwork
they are by definition incapable
of creating any real/actual wealth
in the form of a commodity
all they can do is take the
commodity/products/wealth
from others and distribute it
among themselves to perpetuate/justify their existance
and redistribute it to others for the exact same reasons
individuals, small business, are where things are actually
created and made into commodities, they do it to add/gain
value for themselves, if you take away the profit, you take
away the raison d'etre for further creation and value addition
and it all falls apart.

[tagnostic]

there comes a point in both governments and business
at which they lose the focus of their core usefullness
when instead of value added their sole function becomes
self perpetuation not the manufacture or value adding
to their commodity, with governments its when more
than 20% of the population is involved in governing
and with business its when more than 25% are
involved in "day to day" running the business and not
in the actual production/manufacture of the commodity
thats when the downward spiral begins, the same thing
applies to Unions, while a great thing for workers rights
when the Union bosses and paper pushers are taking
more than the company can afford they end up destroying
the very company that has made it possible to create the
wealth/standard of living that the workers have.
when you add up govt+management+union+worker
its got to even out at 100% of value output
you can't get more than that, once the overhead
exceeds value output the whole thing comes crashing down


rant link (http://sites.google.com/site/wrongpolitics/)

[Tsar Phalanxia]

Business can't provide everything though. Things such as schools, roads, lampposts etc. must all be provided by the government, has the market will always underproduce them, or not at all. Conversely, the government needs to step in when the market cocks something up, such as drug addiction (Referring of course to measures to get people off drugs/make sure the harm is minimized, not the War on Dungs), pollution, monopolies etc. Just as too much government is bad, so is too much free market.

EDIT: You essentially summarized my point in your second post. And I agree about Unions, and I'm happy with their current level of power in the UK now. Able to stand up for the workers, yet not punish people who depend on that business. Although in America, the unions are associated with the mafia, right? That's not a connection that really exists over here...

[tagnostic]

i think a good rule of thumb is
any elected official should
live where and on the same amount
as his median constituents
any other money stocks whatever
goes into escrow while in office
same thing for ceo's while ceo
they live and are paid like the
median worker, and they get
the same stock options as every
other worker, then they have
the right attitude.

[Tsar Phalanxia]

Agreed http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/smilies/gc/gc-yes.gif

[Will.]

I swear, has anyone here been in charge of anything? Its WAAAAAAAY more stressful when you have stock in what you do...

[tagnostic]

which is why i want people
who can handle the stress
and aren't in it for the money