God created man (and woman) TWICE!

[GeoffBoulton]

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Us, our? How many Gods were there?
male and female? He made men and women at the same time and didn't have to mess about performing major rib surgery?

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

So god made man AND woman on the sixth day, so far so good.

Genesis 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Errr, hadn't he already made man and woman on the sixth day? Where did they disappear to then? Was God just a bit careless and lost them or had he been having problems with his memory again and just forgot he's already made them?

So now on the eigth day he has to CREATE man again?

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Oh dear! Adam doesn't have a woman, silly God, forgot about that but never mind he'll soon sort that out.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Maybe I've missed something but this seems to say that God made man and woman on the sixth day but then he lost them, or forgot about them, and made some more on the eight day.

Hey, maybe the Atheists are the one's that God lost or forgot about. Does that mean that God made us first ;)

I think I'll stick with evolution, thanks!

Google, our one god, loves everyone

[Xoligy]

Hahahahhahahahahaha nice find.

[Fallen Hero]

I knew about the double making of man, but I never ever noticed the us and our in the bible. Well done!

[Carnifex]

yeah there is a bit of discussion about genesis being polytheistic.

[Fallen Hero]

yeah there is a bit of discussion about genesis being polytheistic.

Which essentially undermines the rest of the bible, as it is based on monotheism being fact. (10 commandments)

[GeoffBoulton]

The Douay-Rheims Bible (Catholic) has as slightly different wording and contains this cop-out clause (added as a note):

Let us make man to our image"...God speaketh here in the plural number, to insinuate the plurality of persons in the Deity.

[Dorsk]

God creating man twice isn't so much him forgetting about them as it is stating the same thing (or nearly so) twice. I always wondered about there being two slightly differing stories about creation as a Christian... now I just laugh at it.

[Fallen Hero]

The problem is that the two tellings of man's creation are different and at different times.

[Jillamanda]

Oh really, the whole thing's just ridiculous. God waits til Adam's asleep and takes his rib and 'closes the flesh thereof'. Was he so 'excited' when he woke up and saw Eve that he forgot about the fact that he had a rib missing?

8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"

10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."

11 And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"

12 The man said, "The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."


I've always liked this bit - typical bloke, pleading ignorance. :lol: "..but.....I didn't know I was naked - the woman made me do it..."

It's a tad strange though, that she starts off as his wife in verse 8, but by the time we get to verse 12, she's 'the woman you put here with me'.

[mapanggulo]

It's a tad strange though, that she starts off as his wife in verse 8, but by the time we get to verse 12, she's 'the woman you put here with me'.

That's only because by the time verse 12 is written, Adam had time to live with her BS, and he's trying to distance himself by not claiming her 8)

[g00gleisan00b2]

just because one part of the bible is a little wrong dont mean the whole thing is fucked up pointless cussing gets us no where.

[GeoffBoulton]

just because one part of the bible is a little wrong dont mean the whole thing is fucked up stfu bitch. bbq.

If ANY part of the Bible is wrong then it automatically follows that any OTHER part of the Bible, or even all of it, could ALSO be wrong.

This being the case, there is no way of knowing which parts of the bible are correct and which are not. The whole bible therefore becomes useless as a source of reference.

As there is no other reference providing 'proof' of Gods existence, there is no CREDIBLE evidence for the existence of GOD.

Thank you for pointing out that the bible is flawed and that any biblical evidence you supply for the existence of God is worthless.

[Jillamanda]

just because one part of the bible is a little wrong dont mean the whole thing is fucked up stfu bitch.

Well how about we make it easy for you then - you tell us the bits that are right.....and we'll pick shit out of the rest. :D

bbq

?????

[GeoffBoulton]

bbq

Barbeque? He's inviting us to a party? Sorry mate I'm busy, whenever it is ;)

[Xoligy]

just because one part of the bible is a little wrong dont mean the whole thing is fucked up stfu bitch. bbq.

But mr. judge, just because he raped one person, doesn't mean he's a rapist

[Alice Shade]

Regarding the double creation and plural referals.

Starting from the end... I believe, that in original, God had refered to him/her/itself as "we", if for nothing else, then just to humble the man.
However, I like the explanation ofTolkien better. In Silmarillion, Tolkien describes own version of creation with own god and own universe.
In it, Iluvatar (aka God), does NOT really wants to make universe. He just wants to listen to some good choral. So he plucks up some odds and ends, and makes himself a chorus of Valars (aka, angels), so they`d please him with the singing - and of course, Iluvatar is conducting.
And, just as logically, seeing as he used his own life force (there was no other), to make Valars, one of them, Melcor, gets an idea, that he can make much better music, then this old geezer Iluvatar. I think we wanted rock acapella, or something.
So, chorus is singing, and Melcor starts to sing louder, to make everyone follow him. Ivuvatar, in own turn, guides rest of chorus to muffle Melcor, who in turn yells more and more... So before long, there was a cacophony, and everyone`s ears were bleeding.
Iluvatar`s laying the law down to Melcor, and now they notice, that in efforts to one-up each other, they bled off enough life-force to amount to a small world, and it even shaped into sphere from all the sound. Iluvatar looks on it, realises that that`s it, no getting that force back, so he says - "Well, damn, look what you did! Now you all go tend to that thing you made, while I rest for a couple of eons. I`ve the headache of ages."
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Sorry. I tend to go off on a tangents. Anyway, the idea is that God is referring to himself as "we" and other plural referrals are a hint, that all the angals are really the parts of God, who acts as a server, of sorts, to all the manipulators, who shape the world. Of course, he didn`t SAID it, he issued a command, but 2000 years ago, "said" was the only verb close enough to use, I believe.


As for double creation... Any programmers here?
There words - "Humans, beta version". :twisted:

[antony]

The reason for the double creation is that the Pentateuch was most likely edited together from multiple sources. The two versions come from different sources which are no longer extant. Without access to these sources, we don't know what the original story was. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Documentary_hypothesis. Whether you believe the Bible is divinely inspired or not, it's important to take into account the context in which the document has been brought down to us, perhaps even more important if you do.

You should also realize that the creation story is not intended to convey a literal truth of how the world was created, but as a vehicle for conveying a philosophical truth, much like Aesop's Fables for example. So it's not quite so important that the facts of the stories conflict; the way it read it is to see what they author was trying to get across about the nature of the universe and human nature.

[GeoffBoulton]

So it's not quite so important that the facts of the stories conflict; the way it read it is to see what they author was trying to get across about the nature of the universe and human nature

When a 'message' isn't clear then everyone will have their own 'idea' about what that message is saying. Hence the number of religions throughout the world based upon the same 'message' but differing widely in their interpretation of it.

Do we really have to rely on a centuries old book full of contradictions that has been changed innumerable times and which has been subject to numerous interpretations by different people through the ages for those answers?

Given how much mankind has evolved since then in terms of knowledge and understanding of the world around us isn't it better that we look for a better explanation, one that isn't set in stone and can be changed in the light of new evidence?

Hmm, isn't that exactly what science is trying to do?

[Cain]

Didn't the Hebrews take most of the early mythology of the Babylonian/Sumerian religions anyway? I'm pretty sure Enki is cheesed off he doesn't get full credit fro creating humanity in the Bible, or at least a mention in the footnotes.

[AaronD]

Didn't the Hebrews take most of the early mythology of the Babylonian/Sumerian religions anyway? I'm pretty sure Enki is cheesed off he doesn't get full credit fro creating humanity in the Bible, or at least a mention in the footnotes.

The Christians took all of their holidays from paganism.

[GeoffBoulton]

And not just their holidays, many of the beliefs originated in paganism too. Existing beliefs were often incorporated into 'new' religions simply to make those new religions more acceptable to those they were trying to convert.

[SirRuben]

Christmas is a heathen tradition started among the vikings. The tree was taken inside (at the time a regular tree and not a pine) to keep evil out and the ornaments in form of clay pigs and grain was a prayer for a good harvest in the year to come.

It has just been christianized into the birthday of jesus and other crap. Quite sad really..

[Nameless]

Christmas is a heathen tradition started among the vikings. The tree was taken inside (at the time a regular tree and not a pine) to keep evil out and the ornaments in form of clay pigs and grain was a prayer for a good harvest in the year to come.

It has just been christianized into the birthday of jesus and other crap. Quite sad really..

But now it's been so commercialised that Christianity has little do with it any more, so all's well that end's well. :P

[Cain]

Didn't the Hebrews take most of the early mythology of the Babylonian/Sumerian religions anyway? I'm pretty sure Enki is cheesed off he doesn't get full credit fro creating humanity in the Bible, or at least a mention in the footnotes.

The Christians took all of their holidays from paganism.

Oh yeah, I know Christianity has a perchant for mythological larceny. But the various bits of the Old Testament seem less documented in their true origins.

[Fallen Hero]

They stole from Paganism and condemned it, that way, they could force people to join the church with more ease and kill those who did not.

[hiryuu]

don't forget the Jewish belief in Lilith. this could be the cop out for the creation of woman twice

[Erasmus]

Writer 1: So, how's Genesis going?
Writer 2: Well, you're not going to believe this, but we've bloody written in the creation of man and woman twice
Writer 1: Oh you twat! Are you going to re-write it?
Writer 2: RE-WRITE IT? Do you know how long it takes just to write one word, when you've got to do all the twiddly bits, and line every single letter up and make the first letter of each chapter all big and impressive and...
Writer 1: Yes, ok, ok! Well, maybe if we just leave it no-one will notice.
Writer 2: Sounds like a good idea, I mean, it's not like anyone will take this seriously anyway.
Writer 1: This is the Word of God we are writing, you know.
Writer 2: But we're writing it.
Writer 1: In His name.
Writer 2: Did he tell us to?
Writer 1: Just get back to it will you!

...true story.

[Barko]

Writer 1: So, how's Genesis going?
Writer 2: Well, you're not going to believe this, but we've bloody written in the creation of man and woman twice
Writer 1: Oh you twat! Are you going to re-write it?
Writer 2: RE-WRITE IT? Do you know how long it takes just to write one word, when you've got to do all the twiddly bits, and line every single letter up and make the first letter of each chapter all big and impressive and...
Writer 1: Yes, ok, ok! Well, maybe if we just leave it no-one will notice.
Writer 2: Sounds like a good idea, I mean, it's not like anyone will take this seriously anyway.
Writer 1: This is the Word of God we are writing, you know.
Writer 2: But we're writing it.
Writer 1: In His name.
Writer 2: Did he tell us to?
Writer 1: Just get back to it will you!

...true story.
Haha! I used to think that's how the Bible was created when I was little.

[Fallen Hero]

Lilith was an interesting story. I love the Cradle of Filth song "Serpent Tongue", it may not be perfect but the text is cool.

[Googler]

Along the same lines [here (http://www.parryandcarney.com/archives/article/2005/11/easy-way-to-disprove-biblical-creationism.html)]