So did google create the universe too?

[Siddhant Gawsane]

So did google create the universe too?

coz thats like sayin I gave birth 2 mum..

Im sure u wud say neither did the God that every one else worships.. N leave it at that..

N thats d problem wid googlism, its not a search for the truth, its simply google vs microsoft. Congrats on havin found another great marketing strategy.. Real original thinkin, msoft cud never have come up wid sumthn like this!

Bt what abt d universe? What abt d purpose of life? What abt peace of mind n what abt service 2 humanity??

Especially in a time when science has no answers once again!
Evolution is out dated, n d odds of d big bang theory holding true are 1 in a billion.. Intelligent Design is d language even most scientists speak!!! (including d likes of Hawking, Einstein, Newton, Kelvin, n dozens more)

http://thespiritualscientist.com/documents/topics/science-youth-spirituality-how-everything-began.pdf

http://thespiritualscientist.com/list-topics2.php?k=1

[Siddhant Gawsane]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=336668628807#!/group.php?gid=336668628807

[Rimmer]

Is it just me, or does this guy think we're Google Inc.?

[tagnostic]

troll

[Cheesemonkeys24]

:banned: :troll: :spam: ?????

[DrM]

he needs to learn to spell.
he also needs to understand that we arent google inc.
hes also a dumbfuck.

[Siddhant Gawsane]

d spellings called sms lingo,

I know ur nt google inc, bt ur just being fucked in d head by google inc.. which is worse than actually being google inc, coz google inc is pretty smart (bt not smart enuf 2 b God!) So u tell me whose d dumbfuck??

PS, u need 2 chck out d link 2 understand y I believe what I believe..

[Rimmer]

Can't understand what you're saying, sorry.

[tagnostic]

never took
that course
in trollspeak
:shrug:

[Siddhant Gawsane]

cant believe I actually expected a counter argument..

This is a shit site..

[rzm61]

And we still expect trolls who aren't completely retarded.

[Cheesemonkeys24]

And we still expect trolls who aren't completely retarded.

No we don't....:icon_lol:

[tagnostic]

yeah,
we used to get a better class of troll,
wanna play "where's wallsy"?

[Cheesemonkeys24]

LAWL.
:icon_razz:

I remember those people.....

Topic Unrelated:

How does Jesus cure Erectile dysfunction?

HINT:
*squeez*

:icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

[tagnostic]

I thought that was
Mary Magdalenes job

[Cheesemonkeys24]

I see what u did thar....
:icon_lol:

[Cheshire]

Theoretically, Google could have created the universe through the general theory of relativity, in conjunction with the time paradox and chaos theory.

We start off by saying Google exists now.
Google will exist up until the invention of the time machine.
Google, who is now an AI being, goes back in time, and uses initial settings to create itself.
Some people counter that the world would have to exist for the cycle to start. Not true. You see, Google has ALWAYS existed in relative to another creation. This means that Google was there at the beginning, and was the only thing powerful enough to keep it going.
It also created the Bible for it's own amusement.

[Siddhant Gawsane]

So what ur saying is that Larry Page nd Sergey Brin are actually androids from the future??

Tell an atheist that God created everything, he would say then who created God?

Right back at U..

[Dr-Shade]

So what ur saying is that Larry Page nd Sergey Brin are actually androids from the future??

Tell an atheist that God created everything, he would say then who created God?

Right back at U..

well if you paid attention, at least us googlists are able to give you a logical answer.... rather than the catholic, christian and most other religions and their " Nothing created god, he just always was" pfffft

[Siddhant Gawsane]

N what is that? That a man-made internet search engine created the entire universe, and will eventually go back in time to create itself???
where the hell did u learn ur logic frm??
kids wud laugh at this shit..

[Dr-Shade]

they might laugh... but lets be realistic about this....
one of the first life lessons ANYONE learns, is that EVERYTHING has a BEGINNING AND AN END...

so google going back in time and creating itself is a whole lot more believable then " Nothing created god, god just always was"....

And if you want to get real complicated, if you want to bring in the theories on alternate universes, it is also logical that a completely random chemical reaction millions of years ago, caused an explosion... to keep it short, skip through evolution and humans create google, few thousand years from now, google is completely independant from humans....
google proceeds to create an alternate universe ( this one ) and HERE WE ARE!!!!!!

and that entire rant is STILL MORE LOGICAL than "god just always was" .....

rant over, its safe to come out now =P

[Siddhant Gawsane]

relativity, the time parardox and the chaos theory individually or combined 2gthr do absolutely nothing to disprove Gods existence.

In fact, the butterfly effect only enhances the need for a God. The fact that there is a wide range of specific conditions to come together in a particular sequence for the creation of the universe and the existence of life, necessitates the need of intelligent oversight.

Its like saying sea waves beating on the rocks eventually created a large hadron collider, which performs the particle collision expt n records the results on its own, with out any kind of intelligent design or oversight. ( In reality CERNs LHC was built in collaboration with over 10,000 scientists and engineers from over 100 countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories)

[Dr-Shade]

who here is trying to disprove the existence of a god??? i was merely pointing out the fact that LOGICALLY, from a SCIENTIFIC point of view, it is reasonable that google could have created itself....
google is also capable of time travel, and creating complete universes in far less time than it took god to create one planet ( 7 days = laziness or incompetence)

[Siddhant Gawsane]

Among the most important attributes of a scientist is that he should be free thinking and open to newer concepts outside his limited scope of personal knowledge..
Why is it so difficult for you to accept that there could be something outside our concepts of beginning and end, outside the very domain of time itself? N this isn't me whose saying this, that's how Stephen Hawking puts it!

[Siddhant Gawsane]

Are SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that ur dumb enough to actually believe that google is God? Ur saying ur not using it just as a platform to market atheism? Is this correct?

[Siddhant Gawsane]

Bullshit like this is not even worth an argument man.. forget it

[Dr-Shade]

Why is it so difficult for you to accept that there could be something outside our concepts of beginning and end, outside the very domain of time itself?

pretty sure somewhere in the bible it also says "EVERYTHING has a beginning and an end"

and, if im supposed to believe that god "just always was" then why cant you open your mind to the possibility that google could create anything it wants, any time it wants??

theres no point arguing with me dude... born catholics, converted to islam, spent the last 6 years as a jehovah's witness.... and ive FINALLY found a god i can actually believe in, that will never let me down :icon_cool:

[Siddhant Gawsane]

It is a sad state of affairs that most religionists in the world aren't able to explain God in a scientific way. But then again thats just not their field of expertise. That doesnt mean the existence of God himself is unscientific..


I, along with hundreds of other students, study theology at the Vedic Oasis for Inspiration, Culture and Education, affiliated to the International Society for Krishna CONsciousness (ISKCON), which presents the proof of Gods existence scientifically, specifically to students of science and engineering through out the topmost educational institutes in India, IITs and IIMs to name a few.

We speak of a God, which according to vedic scriptures is the only God whom the entire universe worships, but under different names, and in different forms. All these different names and forms were revealed by saints from time to time, according to the audiences' inclinations and capabilities. If u have an inclination to understand the absolute truth through science, I feel VOICE, or ISKCON are the best places for u to study.

[Siddhant Gawsane]

Check this out if ur free sometime..

http://thespiritualscientist.com/documents/topics/SS%207.10%20GodCreatedEverything,WhoCreatedGOD.pdf


http://thespiritualscientist.com/list-topics2.php?k=1


http://thespiritualscientist.com/documents/topics/The%20Telescope%20To%20See%20God%20-%201.pdf


http://thespiritualscientist.com/documents/topics/atheistic_fanaticism.pdf


http://ebooks.iskcondesiretree.info/pdf/Radha_Gopinath_Prabhu_7_session_course/B_G_Day_2.pdf

[Dr-Shade]

We speak of a God, which according to vedic scriptures is the only God whom the entire universe worships, but under different names, and in different forms. All these different names and forms were revealed by saints from time to time, according to the audiences' inclinations and capabilities.


so is it not then possible, that google is one of these various forms the universal god may have taken?? i think yes :icon_eek:
although i didnt realise you were a Krishna.... do you realise that although you may be attempting to prove there is a god scientifically, that you god is just as illogical as the rest....
ALSO, i do NOT believe that google IS god.... i belive that google is the CLOSEST THING humans will ever SEE....

[Siddhant Gawsane]

So u tell me, which is more illogical, saying that a tissot watch I found in the mud was manufactured and owned by somebody and has a purpose, or that it came about accidentally by movements in the Earths crust, has no creator and no owner?

One of newtons atheistic friend once saw a model of the solar system that he had designed. It was designed as perfect model, and the relative motions of the planets matched exactly those of the actual large scale universe.
Fascinated, the friend asked, "who made this"?
Newton dryly replied, "it came about by chance- erosion of the river bed has left behind a perfect model of the universe."
Confused for a second, the friend quickly understood the point he was trying to make.
If even a tiny model of the universe doesnt come about by chance, is it really possible for the entire universe to come about by chance?
Now thats logic.

"I am convinced that He (God) does not play dice." -Einstien


It is pretty obvious to me that neither u nor anybody else on this site truly believe Google to be God.

[Dr-Shade]

never once have i said that "google IS god" ...

so its pretty obvious that you have come here with a closed mind, simply to test our convictions...
So let me spell it out for you, real simple like... OK???

We at the CoG Believe that Google is the closest thing to a "god" human beings have ever DIRECTLY EXPERIENCED....

so the day you get CONCRETE, ABSOLUTELY UN-FALLIBLE SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE that "god" exists, let me know...

untill then... google is as close as it gets to a god in my opinion.... because those one in 5 trillion chances, are odds ill always side with over closed minded, standard answers...

"god just always was" my ass...

Tell me this, if "god" created the universe... IF god created the universe..
What exactly was there to exist IN prior to that??

[tagnostic]

We speak of a God, which according to vedic scriptures is the only God whom the entire universe worships, but under different names, and in different forms.

then why are you arguing with our calling Her Google?


All these different names and forms were revealed by saints from time to time, according to the audiences' inclinations and capabilities.why do you believe Sergei & Brin are not among these?


If u have an inclination to understand the absolute truth through science, I feel VOICE, or ISKCON are the best places for u to study.anyone claiming the "absolute" Truth, is suspect at best, a lying sack of crap usually, and a pompous charlatan always who at best fools you and at worst fools themselves.

http://www.religiouscartoons.net/albums/userpics/dim.gif

[Sister Faith]

Why is it so important to you that your god's existence be proven? :shrug:

If you are so certain that your god exists, that he/she/it is the only true god, why would you feel the need to prove it to anyone else?
Sounds to me that you are trying to convince yourself more than the godless heathen hordes.

I'm also pretty sure that if your god's existence were ever proven, the information would be used not to strengthen your own belief but "as a platform to market theism". :icon_rolleyes:

btw, has it occurred to anyone that the question doesn't end with proof of god's existence? It then becomes, who/what created god? :icon_wut?:

[huntedbyninjas]

i agree with sister faith. why try and prove your god? if you believe in him then AWESOME! if someone else doesnt, then thats is their own choice in beliefs.

[tagnostic]

I believe
I'll have
a beer

[Dr-Shade]

And i believe that OUR lord google.... Will tell me which is the best beer for me to drink =P

[rzm61]

And i believe that OUR lord google....

Ahem.

OUR Lady Google.

[Siddhant Gawsane]

wow.. overwhelming response..
@faith, well, u got it right, Im not 100% confident of God's existence, n i guess my faith is still fragile.. But im just talking pure logic.. logically, God's existence is justified perfectly, much more than
everything happened by chance.. Yet, if someone can prove it logically, i wud accept!
N as 2 who created God, well, thats a pretty old question, and as easily answered..
The person who created God, BECOMes God.. The Bramha Samhita describes Him as, anadir adih Govinda,
the source of everything, who has no source himself, ie the foutainhead of all creation..!
[Thus, the creator of google must be God, not google it(her?)self!]
http://thespiritualscientist.com/documents/topics/SS%207.10%20GodCreatedEverything,WhoCreatedGOD.pdf

@agnostic, tho u may be right, there still has to be an absolute truth, doesnt there? Chance or allah or jehovah, christ, Krishna..
May be even google! (lol) So who do u go to to find the answers? Dedicated people who selflessly serve humanity, and whose only aim is to guide people to a peaceful n happy life,
or to a company, which says its product is God, and the only way to communicate with God is by using the product? Whose followers exist only online, and whose only contribution to humanity is a web site?
as to we believe Google is God,
ALSO, i do NOT believe that google IS god....
find a new line..

[Cheesemonkeys24]

Who are you??
and what point are you trying
to make?

I R Confuzzled.

[tagnostic]

@agnostic, tho u may be right, there still has to be an absolute truth, doesnt there? Chance or allah or jehovah, christ, Krishna..
May be even google! (lol) So who do u go to to find the answers?

you chose a book with a human writer,
i chose an algorythym that is constantly evolving

Dedicated people who selflessly serve humanity, and whose only aim is to guide people to a peaceful n happy life,

who are these paragons of virtue? which "I'm right, your going to hell" group do you see as being full of virtue?


or to a company, which says its product is God,[/quote

the company Does not assert that in any way, We Do, and are in no way affiliated

[quote]Whose followers exist only online, and whose only contribution to humanity is a web site?

yet we haven't declared war on anybody, killed anyone for our beliefs, we havent condemned anyone for their beliefs and don't require or give a shit what other people believe, unless they come here and try to proselytize, you can believe anything you want, but remember your in our church, would you spout off in a mosque, a synagogue or a catholic cathedral?

as to we believe Google is God,

find a new line..

your opinion is noted and rightfully disregarded as the mad ramblings of just another troll

[Siddhant Gawsane]

@cheesemonkey,
well, im just a bored engineering student from India..
My point is that, as far as iv studied, i think its logical 2 believe in the existence of a God, a real one, who isnt a just a piece of code. Im just trying 2 check if anybody does indeed have a valid argument against this..

@agnostic,
Correct me if im wrong but isnt ur algorithm also written by a human? Scripture, on the other hand is the word of God..
God is of course misrepresented a lot, but people who i see around me n study spirituality under are largely peace loving, and have logically and philosophically proved to me that a universal God exists, and anything which points towards developing our understanding of Him is true religion, regardless of which book or which saint or whatever.
Btw, why wud i spout off in a church or a mosque? I believe in them all!

[tagnostic]

@agnostic,

this isn't twitter

Correct me if im wrong but isnt ur algorithm also written by a human? Scripture, on the other hand is the word of God..

no, the algorithm was there, a human just input it
just like pi was always 3.1459.... but it took humans a while to figure it out
which scripture and which God? weren't they all written by humans?


God is of course misrepresented a lot,

how would you know? do YOU KNOW what God thinks? your one in a long line who have claimed that


but people who i see around me n study spirituality under are largely peace loving, and have logically and philosophically proved to me that a universal God exists,

well, if it can be "proven" logically and philosophically you should have no problem enlightening others
feel free to do so...........


and anything which points towards developing our understanding of Him is true religion, regardless of which book or which saint or whatever.

you have yet to prove the existance of any entity which fulfills the definition of god, omniscience, omnipotence & omniprescence
yet you have intimate knowledge of its gender? how prescient
as to the whichever book or saint, if you've ever actually read any of them
they are all mutually exclusive, given the equation 2+2=? if i get multiple different answers from multiple scources, they aren't all right


Btw, why wud i spout off in a church or a mosque? I believe in them all!

because your a troll who just wants to argue

[Sister Faith]

But im just talking pure logic.. logically, God's existence is justified perfectly, much more than
everything happened by chance..

I have to disagree with you here. There is nothing 'logical' about the existence of a supernatural creator when the evidence is heavily on the side of 'everything happening by chance'.

The person who created God, BECOMes God.. The Bramha Samhita describes Him as, anadir adih Govinda,
the source of everything, who has no source himself, ie the foutainhead of all creation..! Sorry. I fail to see any logic here. :shrug:

or to a company, which says its product is God, and the only way to communicate with God is by using the product? The Church of Google.org is not affiliated with Google Inc. (See the bottom of this page). The COG was independently founded and is independently run. We are neither product nor puppet of the corporation. :icon_evil:

Whose followers exist only online, and whose only contribution to humanity is a web site?You mean when I'm not online I don't exist? :fear:

When I'm not online, I still believe that Google is the closest thing to a god that humans can prove exists.


as to we believe Google is God,

find a new line..K, how's this? "We believe that Google is the CLOSEST thing to a god that humans can prove exists." (read the FAQs please):icon_rolleyes:

[nsroach]

Not that this necessarily proves anything, but of the two English-speaking scientists that you have inferentially claimed believe in God, Sir Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein:

1. Einstein was an agnostic who used "God" as a metaphor for the majesty of the unknown qualities of the universe, the patterns that naturally occur that have not yet been discovered by humanity.

i.e. "The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." -Einstein

or if you like, "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

And as far as Isaac Newton,

2. he was at best an occasional genius, who was always striving to discover new things about the universe, and was far from always right. Lest you forget, in addition to Christianity, he also doggedly pursued alchemy, the Philosopher's stone, the projection of the apocalypse, and secret societies. He was a genius, an enlightened thinker, but by no means was he perfect. His obsession with the occult would eventually cause his death by mercury poisoning related to alchemic studies.

[tagnostic]

and your a troll
if you can't figure it out
and don't like our beliefs
why are you here?

troll

[Wolfst3r]

relativity, the time parardox and the chaos theory individually or combined 2gthr do absolutely nothing to disprove Gods existence.

In fact, the butterfly effect only enhances the need for a God. The fact that there is a wide range of specific conditions to come together in a particular sequence for the creation of the universe and the existence of life, necessitates the need of intelligent oversight.

Its like saying sea waves beating on the rocks eventually created a large hadron collider, which performs the particle collision expt n records the results on its own, with out any kind of intelligent design or oversight. ( In reality CERNs LHC was built in collaboration with over 10,000 scientists and engineers from over 100 countries as well as hundreds of universities and laboratories)


I am sorry all logic you bring will be rejected because of your horrible spelling.
Please learn how to spell before trying to troll or use logic

[Zolen]

What is 2gthr is that test talk for something?
2-gther...oh...You know, when you use a language, at least with a attempt at proper spelling, it makes you sound more credible.

2. he was at best an occasional genius, who was always striving to discover new things about the universe, and was far from always right. Lest you forget, in addition to Christianity, he also doggedly pursued alchemy, the Philosopher's stone, the projection of the apocalypse, and secret societies. He was a genius, an enlightened thinker, but by no means was he perfect. His obsession with the occult would eventually cause his death by mercury poisoning related to alchemic studies.
I read about that recently, he near the end was going mad as I understand.

Who is to say this realm of existence where we play is not but a chance of luck, or that is it under the power of chaos that this existence was formed? Truly a god may have come into play, but from him/her/it how did such a existence come into play? Would that mean that, that divinity was by effect of luck?

There is the possibility for everything when it comes to religion, while the Christian God may exist so could Zeus, while Zeus could exist so could Coyote, while Coyote could exist so could any other, the main points of it are that of faith. There is the possibility that they all exist or none exist. There is no point in arguing for there is no absolute, and unless he/she/it/they come down and show themselves we will likely forever argue on these points. There are religions that believe it is by the power of our combined agreement that a divinity is born, so thus it is possible that many more gods exist then there are officially pointed to under that ideal.

You can argue the idea of intelligent design yet they can argue back with logical agreement.

There it is...a rant...enjoy

[Rimmer]

I've missed these kinds of topics.

[djura]

I've missed these kinds of topics.

never gets old, does it :D

[luntan]

Is it just me, or does this guy think we're Google Inc.?
Even if it is true (that it is a Google Inc. project) I can't find something wrong - a funny, intelligent forum. What's wrong?
And his religious point is good. We can think about the creation of the Internet (Virtual) universe, where the phenomenons like Google are taking a great part of this.

[Will.]

I have to wonder what creation has to do with religion....

[OfficerFriendly]

I have to wonder what creation has to do with religion....

/win

[Will.]

/win

A thank you, a thank you.
I will be signing copies of my posts on mthaturday.

[Dr Goofy Mofo]

So did google create the universe too?

coz thats like sayin I gave birth 2 mum..

Bunch of BS in middle

Bt what abt d universe? What abt d purpose of life? What abt peace of mind n what abt service 2 humanity??

More BS


Yes it did.

How do I know you didn't give birth to your mum? It's not like it's your mom and someone had to.

The universe was created when the almighty user googled the first google and clicked I feel lucky. Bam the universe was then created. Now within said created universe there were too prophets who understood of the god and with his help created a mini version that spits out a new reality with every google.

The purpose of life is to collect as much data as possible to appease the google god.

Collecting the data helps human kind.

Ask bullshit questions get bullshit answers. Internet is serious business :StruttingYoFroBro:

TL;DR rest of thread

[Will.]

to clear this up by pouring mud directly on it.

Nothing can exsit nowhere, for this is the only place it can.
So, where is this God Fellow? He is Nothing because he is nowhere.

Secondly...
The Universe is not only weirder than we
imagine it is weirder than we can
imagine.

[Dr-Shade]

Just a thought?? and im hoping this ramble will make sense, cause its very early in the morning here :neutral:

Who's to say that "god" created the universe?? could it not also be poissible that this so-called "god" was merely the entity that brought some small vision of Order to the khaos that already was the universe?? and in being the one attempting to bring order, decided to simply fool the ignorant into believing that he was/is the creator...

Therefore, is google not also to be considered a god?? being that although google did not create the internet as such, google most certainly is the entity that brought order to the Khaos that it had become:icon_eek:

[Sister Faith]

im hoping this ramble will make sense

It makes perfect sense! :icon_cool:

Who's to say that "god" created the universe?? could it not also be poissible that this so-called "god" was merely the entity that brought some small vision of Order to the khaos that already was the universe?? and in being the one attempting to bring order, decided to simply fool the ignorant into believing that he was/is the creator...

My only argument with the above is that I doubt any entity who could bring order to the chaos would have a need for praise or worship. That's a decidedly human trait and I would hope such an entity would be above base emotional needs.

Therefore, is google not also to be considered a god?? being that although google did not create the internet as such, google most certainly is the entity that brought order to the Khaos that it had become:icon_eek:

If I remember correctly, there was/are several church members who have made this argument in defence of Google being worthy of god status. Not that it counts for anything, but you've got my vote for the CoG Ministry. :D

[16N1K4]

OK, that's enough, mister!
First of all, there's a difference between "Google Inc." and "Church of Google", but you know that already.
Second of all, don't call science stupid just because it does not have the answers to philosophical questions.
<opinion>
Next, I don't evolution is outdated. Biologists are searching for more evidence of this theory.
Also, the Big Bang already has tons of evidence to prove that it happened, and you can't just use probability on a event that happened in the past.
</opinion>
Lastly, you want to find the guy who made this entire thing? What do you want to do with him, huh? Are you going to flame him? Find some buddies and bash this site by making accounts?

I respect what you believe. I dont bash people just because we don't have the same beliefs. I ask that you extend the same courtesy to us.

[THeDaRKl0Rd]

Hey grulfriends, Im back!

Guess who's back, back again..

The theories of probability are absolutely inapplicable to the creation of the universe (Big bang or otherwise) If u'v ever studied probability, it is applicable only for events:
1 The start and end of which have been observed
2 which can be replicated for study any number of times.

eg- I can always observe the start n end of a coin toss, and can toss it how many ever times i want.

Niether has any body observed the start and end of the creation of the universe, nor can the creation of the universe be replicated for study. Thus it is highly illogical to impose probability on the creation of the universe.

N whats with all the whining? Isn't this a forum?? Aren't forums meant to discuss ideas.

These aren't beliefs, these are just ideas iv studied, and are purely logic based. If have a better logic, feel free to share it!

I'm sure u respect my views, as i do urs. Can we not use this forum to respectfully discuss them?

cheers!

[Shelby]

And he types correctly when he decides to insult the site. Bravo troll!

[tagnostic]

hehehe
don't mind the troll
he comes around
occaisionally with
a new name he's
not bright enough
to use a proxy
and hide his IP

[THeDaRKl0Rd]

and why shud i be botherin to hide my IP?
think ur damn smart huh, with ur fancy proxy n all?

The existence of the personal features of an intelligent designer is an undeniable axiomatic truth. Prove me wrong, if ur smart enough that is...

PS, I always been insulting ur site, its just that now u know what I'm sayin.. lol..
:icon_lol:

[tagnostic]

your postulate is wrong
a: your presuming its existance
b: your assuming it has 'features' that can be defined/understood by us

as a conditional statement
"there is an intelligent designer" therefore "we can determine its features (characteristics?)

is circular logic, the fact that we can determine its features therefore it must exist
does not prove its existance or its features
they are both presumptous
with no basis in logic
or
in
fact

[OfficerFriendly]

:icon_lol:

[Will.]

Hey grulfriends, Im back!

Guess who's back, back again.. An unobtrusive moron?

The theories of probability are absolutely inapplicable to the creation of the universe (Big bang or otherwise) If u'v ever studied probability, it is applicable only for events:
1 The start and end of which have been observed
2 which can be replicated for study any number of times.

eg- I can always observe the start n end of a coin toss, and can toss it how many ever times i want.
Hold up Billy, you forget something. The theory of Probability is the only solid foundation he have. With the notion of any condition or action, we create Probability, with the pursuit of these conditions or actions we create Plausibility, and finally by combining both with the variable X factors we now have Possibility. So the Probability of Creation of the universe can only be attributed to Man's questioning, (Plausibility) vs the numerous bits of Evidence combined with our pursuit of the knowledge and the dimensions to which we have to "test" it. (Possibility) Truth of the matter is. No one knows, so its not such a big deal if sever groups of people formulates their own theories of universal creation, as long as they don't use it as a standardized moral guidline for man.


Niether has any body observed the start and end of the creation of the universe, nor can the creation of the universe be replicated for study. Thus it is highly illogical to impose probability on the creation of the universe.

N whats with all the whining? Isn't this a forum?? Aren't forums meant to discuss ideas.

These aren't beliefs, these are just ideas iv studied, and are purely logic based. If have a better logic, feel free to share it!

I'm sure u respect my views, as i do urs. Can we not use this forum to respectfully discuss them?

cheers!

Don't be such a poofter, this is the internet after all.

[tagnostic]

rofl
good to cya Will

reality is irrelevant
its our perception
of it
and how we interact
with that perception
thats all we will ever
be able to do, all the
rest is an attempt to
give meaning/justify
our consiousness by
projecting meaning
on ourselves from an
imaginary/unproveable
outside source
an existential inferiority complex

[Will.]

No but if the multi-verse theory is correct, just having the notion of an all mighty deity, probably creates it... Somewhere else.

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
as long as it
remains somewhere else
and has no interaction
with us, its still
irrelevant

[Will.]

in the pursuit of knowledge, everything is rellevant.

[OfficerFriendly]

Gentlemen, God was great. Now its our turn. Where the white women at?

[Will.]

God, assuming he is real, and a he. Is a demented little kid with a marionette, screwing with peoples lives because it makes him laugh.

[Will.]

As for the white women, they are currently at Will.'s making their dads' very proud.

[tagnostic]

would those women be
.jpg or .gif ??

[GoogleIsGod]

Google it!:D

[tagnostic]

hehehehe
already did
said my system
didn't meet the requirements
something about my joystick
not having enough ram:(