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Old December 8th, 2008, 01:15 AM   #1
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Default If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Or alternately, What Caused the Big Bang?

It is evident through observation that all events need causes. Aristotle thought that it was something called the First Cause (in latin, Primum Movens): "something which moves itself, but is not itself moved." I agree. I think the First Cause was God.

What do you think?
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Old December 8th, 2008, 01:20 AM   #2
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

it gets a little circular at that point,
who caused the first cause that caused god?
and what caused that?

gets too weird for me, (which is saying alot)
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Old December 8th, 2008, 01:36 AM   #3
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Ah yes - the "keep you up all night going insane" question

Simple answer - I have no idea.

I'm agnostic - that's because I can't find a definite answer to those questions.

Nothing existed before the Big Bang! (No - I can't accept that )

God created everything! No - sorry, I can't accept that one as well.

Aaaargh! I have no idea and it drives me nuts not knowing!

Look at the theories - God made it or everything came out of nothing.
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Old December 8th, 2008, 12:05 PM   #4
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

There was no "before" the Big Bang, as reality, and that includes time, did not exist before that moment. It's hard to grasp, because we are so used to the fourth dimension continuously moving at the same speed (relatively), that the concept of a "before time" seems totally weird to us.
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Old December 8th, 2008, 02:23 PM   #5
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Do you know of the Fermi Paradox?

I'd say this is the same.
And it still does my head in
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Old December 8th, 2008, 02:28 PM   #6
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Who created god?

Man?
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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Tsar and tag are right.

1. What created God? Did God just appear? If so, why couldn't the universe "just appear"?

2. Some idea floating on the cusp of modern science suggest that we live in a 5-D braneworld. (Note: this relies on string theory, which is currently untested and unproved.)Colliding branes would send shockwaves of energy throught he branes, potentially creating a Big Bang.

3. Stephen Hawking is a proponent of the idea that our universe grew out of a "mother universe" and a space of true vacuum. He postulates that There are many universes beyond our own, and there are pockes of true vacuum between them. As the universes move farther apart, parts fo the true vacuum convert into false vacuum, making a new universe.

4. I like the idea that just maybe the universe did make itself. Many subatomic particles have enormously long shelf lives. It is possible, using quantum flucuations, that the energy of a few of those particles colliding could have been sent back in time and caused the formation fo the universe. Alernatively, from Wheeler's delayed choice experiments, we know that anytime a sbatomic particle is observed, we pin down its history. This splits off an alternate timeline.

Our very observations of the world around us have caused the birth of millions of new timeline and parallel universes.

Because each universe is in its own timeline, probability plays out differently in each one. In one universe, your coin might land on heads, in another, it might land on tails.

In several, it might have caused an explosion which would form another universe in which sentient lifeforms would evolve and wonder what caused their universe to form.

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Default Re: If God Created the Universe, Who Created God?

Alot of xians answer that with he willed himself into existance or he just always was.

If that is the case I would have willed my self into existance ages ago.

What started the big bang... god lit a fart or a fire cracker. With this philosphy I can go in to each god was created from another. The only problem is where did the first world come from.

None of this is my beliefs but they are fun to think about.
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Or alternately, What Caused the Big Bang?

It is evident through observation that all events need causes. Aristotle thought that it was something called the First Cause (in latin, Primum Movens): "something which moves itself, but is not itself moved." I agree. I think the First Cause was God.

What do you think?
"Bob" created God. But he was provoked.
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