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Old October 26th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #1
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this one rather simple:
Our lives are based upon science and physics. without them, we would be living in the dark ages, which were called that for a reason. this is a little background info to give you the actual proof is this; for anything to exist is this world, it MUST have mass and location. even energy has mass, (read quantum physics). so god has neither mass nor location therefore he does not exist.
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Old October 27th, 2006, 01:10 AM   #2
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Sorry to pour cold water on the theory but:

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http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...ight_mass.html
and we certainly DO know that light exists
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Not to mention that the theoretical particle the 'graviton' that they think MAY exist also is considered to have no mass. However, at this point, no one is saying that it exists definitively.
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well i could very well argue the same thing about gravity, we know it exists but... what i'm trying to say is that an object, being, whatever has to fulfill those two criteria, but i dont think god is made of photons
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Now, that`s not quite true.

See, you assume, that all the beings should be particle-based in nature.

However, it`s entirely feasible to fathom a wave-based lifeform... Though, I`d say off the bat, that it`s highly-impausible we`d be able to establish existance or non-existance of such lifeform for sure, and even less plausible to ever get in intelligent contact.
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Now, that`s not quite true.

See, you assume, that all the beings should be particle-based in nature.

However, it`s entirely feasible to fathom a wave-based lifeform... Though, I`d say off the bat, that it`s highly-impausible we`d be able to establish existance or non-existance of such lifeform for sure, and even less plausible to ever get in intelligent contact.
except that you are forgetting the wave-particle duality; in essence, all waves have particle properties that can be observed, and all particles have wave properties
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Oh, I didn`t quite meant that literally...

You, as a physical body, exhibit primarily particle behaviour.
So, it`s feasible to fathom some lifeform to exhibit primarily wave behaviour.
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Sorry to pour cold water on the theory but:

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and we certainly DO know that light exists
Umm... a research paper from 1997?
I think we've found out since then that light has some mass, but an incredibly minute amount.
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I think we've found out since then that light has some mass, but an incredibly minute amount.
As far as I know, I'm no expert, the rest mass of light is still considered to be zero. I know science has carried out experiments to try and 'weigh' light and have set a theoretical maximum mass of 4 x 10-48 grams.

That doesn't mean that light has either been proved to have or not have mass just that the possible limits from experiments are between 0 and 4 x 10-48 grams.

Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong. If you know of anything showing that light definitely does have mass then please post a reference. I'd be interested to read it. Thanks
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Well this is sort of the wrong way to go about God. He presumably created all the natural laws we see today and while we in nature our bound by them, God would exist outside of them and they would not apply to him.
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